M1 Carbine rising

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I suppose it was inevitable, but as anyone observed the rising prices on M1 Carbine clones of late on Gunbroker? Its a given for the USGI ones, boy do I know it, but its also on Universals, Plainfield, etc seem to be rising pretty quick too. Is this just on gunbroker, or are they getting to be pricey in your neck of the woods too?
 
Hmmmm. Among some of the older commercials, the early ones were pretty good while later ones were lower quality, often due to design changes.
Maybe those earlier good ones are getting scarce? Or alternatly, demand increasing? It seems a lot of threads on the old commercials someone will remark on early ones being better. Guess maybe it's having an effect!
 
Hmmmm. Among some of the older commercials, the early ones were pretty good while later ones were lower quality, often due to design changes.
Maybe those earlier good ones are getting scarce? Or alternatly, demand increasing? It seems a lot of threads on the old commercials someone will remark on early ones being better. Guess maybe it's having an effect!

I have done my studying on Universals Gen 1, Gen 2, and Gen 3, 3 being the least favored, but checking out prices recently on GB, it doesn't seem to matter what gen they are, prices are climbing past $600 and beyond. If this keeps going, they will be up there with USGI ones for price. I don't say value, as we all know USGI M1's are the best to get.
 
Somehow Auto Ordnance sells enough of their, ummmm, "rack grade" carbines to justify keeping them in production- Inland, JRA, and Fulton too.

I think the carbines are experiencing a bit of a renaissance among people who are burnt out on ARs and those who appreciate their overall goodness and fun factor. This is keeping prices high for the foreseeable future.
 
Somehow Auto Ordnance sells enough of their, ummmm, "rack grade" carbines to justify keeping them in production- Inland, JRA, and Fulton too.

I think the carbines are experiencing a bit of a renaissance among people who are burnt out on ARs and those who appreciate their overall goodness and fun factor. This is keeping prices high for the foreseeable future.

Plus, as far as I know, there isn't any manufacturer making an M1 Garand, and clone carbines are plentiful. Ammo is a different story..
 
I don't think Gun Broker is a reliable price guide.. Still, as the price of GI Carbines goes up it's taking the commercials with it... What I don't get is why someone would pay 70% (or more) of the price of a decent Inland GI Carbine for a used Plainfield or Universal..... I'm not knocking those guns, It's just that if I'm already paying $600 or $700 wouldn't it make more sense to just pony up $900 or $1,000 and get a GI? Plus, it's probably a better investment in the long run..
 
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Had a mint, lightly used Plainfield M-1 Carbine for a few years in the mid 1990's. But it went down the road because I wasn't that interested in it anymore. I was gonna just put it in the safe and let it appreciate for a few years and then sell it but I figured it won't go up in value much because It's not a genuine G.I. so I may as well just let it go now. With my 20/20 hindsight I now wish it had sat in the safe for at least another 10 years.
 
I think with alot of older "collectibles", there is a perfect storm of:

1. Gouging
2. Speculation
3. Uneducated buyers (and sellers)
4. Dwindling supply due to storage and hoarding

I'm not a milsurp guy, but I've seen it happen since I was a kid with SKS rifles, mosins, nagant revolvers, and heard about it with M1s, arisakas, etc.

One of the reasons milsurps make me mad is the old timers at gunshows or the gun store trying to sell the same 5 haggard mosin nagants for $500 each saying "they don't make these anymore and no more are coming in... Better overpay me. Oh, check out my frost cutlery dragon knife for $150 that I got from BudK for $5.99"

People throw out a high price hoping some poor fella takes the bait.

Edit: I'm not against profit or free markets, but free market is a 2-way street so I'm just calling it the way I see it... I.e. my opinion
 
Somehow Auto Ordnance sells enough of their, ummmm, "rack grade" carbines to justify keeping them in production- Inland, JRA, and Fulton too.

I think the carbines are experiencing a bit of a renaissance among people who are burnt out on ARs and those who appreciate their overall goodness and fun factor. This is keeping prices high for the foreseeable future.

I have a USGI and an Auto Ordnance, and I am not parting with either. The AO has great wood, is reliable, and is as accurate as the GI. My only gripes about it are that the parts are not all GI interchangeable and that you can tell it is built on a casting when it starts to wear. I shoot the AO WAY more than I shoot the GI, and it has never hiccuped after the first couple mags. Inland is just a marked-up and rebranded AO.

Fulton and JRA are a horse of a different color. They build on Gov't specs, and their prices reflect it. I see no reason to pay MORE than a USGI Carbine for a commercial rifle.

As far as why they are popular, just about everyone who has shot mine has wanted one by the end of the session. Like you said, it's just fun.
 
I was chastised by my friends for paying $80 for that piece of junk M1 carbine... which turned out to be a Winchester. Times change... prices go up! I have had that M1 carbine for 30 years now and still love it. I loaded up a couple hundred rounds just yesterday. I bought it way back when because I thought it was a really cool looking "Big Boy" 22lr. It was my first rifle bigger than a 22 and the first mil-surplus I ever bought. I kind of balked at the $5 for 50 rounds of ammo though.
 
At one time, I used to collect GI carbines by manufacturer. (This was when they could be had for $200 or less.) Then, I went through a phase of downsizing my collection, and I got rid of all the carbines. Looking back, there are some guns that I regret selling (such as a Thompson and a BAR), but, strangely (considering their rise in prices), I don't miss the carbines. There is just something about that cartridge that is neither here nor there.
 
I've got an Iver Johnson made in 1979, that I got a couple of years ago for $400.00 OTD, Every thing on it is interchangeable with the Mil Specs of the Winchester M-1 Carbine. In fact about a year ago, I purchased a new Winchester stock, along with the bayonet lug, and a bayonet. I doubt if the receiver is cast, as I've had the firearm completely torn down, and could not see any casting anywhere on it. Incidentally I've shot well over 2000 rounds thru it with never a hic cup. I do believe I put several photos of it on this forum, along with the magazine pouches attached to the stock not to mention the sling and oiler. It is truly a fun gun to shoot, and you can't believe the shooters that think it is the real McCoy, out at the range.
 
There are a lot of people who like carbines, but don't realize that there is the commercial Inland Carbine, and then there is the USGI Inland, as well. The USGI Inlands shoot and are just as reliable as any other USGI Carbine, but I"ve heard the commercial versions have had issues. A good friend passed on what turned out to be a GI Inland, thinking it was the commercial version. After he told me about seeing it, I got curious and went back to the table where it had been. It had just sold for $1100. The seller said it was a genuine USGI.
 
Carbines are an unfortunate weapon in that a large number of bad ones have been made by a number of manufacturers at different times.

Most of the USGI ones are decent, although by no means all.

If I wanted one that I was sure would work, I'd buy a Fulton.
 
USGI carbines date from WW2, and some may be shot out, or they may need springs. There were some problems making reliable carbines early on, but this was sorted out pretty quickly.
Some commercial carbines suffered due to cost-saving measures.
 
USGI carbines date from WW2, and some may be shot out, or they may need springs.
The DCM (predecessor of the CMP) blew thousands of them out in the late 1950's - early 1960's, at ridiculously low prices (less than $20, as I recall). At the time, you had to be an NRA member to buy from the DCM, so this was a huge recruiting tool for the NRA. Along with carbines, the DCM was selling Springfields, Enfields, and M1911's. They were not selling Garands except for NM versions, and there was a one-in-a-lifetime limit on those. To buy a Garand, you had to submit a competitive scorecard among other things. In comparison, carbines were easy to get.
 
The DCM (predecessor of the CMP) blew thousands of them out in the late 1950's - early 1960's, at ridiculously low prices (less than $20, as I recall). At the time, you had to be an NRA member to buy from the DCM, so this was a huge recruiting tool for the NRA. Along with carbines, the DCM was selling Springfields, Enfields, and M1911's. They were not selling Garands except for NM versions, and there was a one-in-a-lifetime limit on those. To buy a Garand, you had to submit a competitive scorecard among other things. In comparison, carbines were easy to get.

Now the carbines are gone and Garands are available.:confused:
 
Now the carbines are gone and Garands are available.
The government was eager to surplus the carbines in the 1950's. Millions were produced in WW2, with the idea of arming rear-area and support troops (not first-line infantry) with something that was easier to use than a pistol. The doctrine for employing carbines seems to have been revisited after the war. I remember that when the M14 was adopted in the mid-1950's, it was touted as the universal replacement for the M1 Garand, the carbine, the BAR, and other weapons (it didn't quite work out that way). In terms of its employment, the idea of the carbine was a doctrinal dead end. Anyway, the advent of the M16 made all these discussions moot.
 
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