GigaBuist
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Not to start a flame war on Glocks, but after seeing yet another "I won't carry a Glock because of a manual safety" I began to wonder.
I do not CCW currently (few more months on that one) so my perspective is skewed.
I cannot, for the life of me, remember that last time I actually flicked a manual safety and have it actually make myself feel safer.
This has probably got something to do with how I was "re-taught" how to shoot 2 years ago. They're just not that useful, at least on the firing line. Perhaps I'm wrong, but if you follow the four rules there's no reason to employ the use of a safety at the range.
I'm fond of taking new shooters out for their first few ventures into the land of freedom. It's just something about my really cherry, docile, personality I guess that warms them up to the idea that shooters aren't raging lunatics Invariable when showing them how to operate a few different arms before we had out I always get the question "Where's the safety?" Even non-shooters know guns are supposed to have them I guess. My response is usually "Uhm, it's here." I flick it up, I flick it down and then say, "Don't bother with it. Keep your finger off the trigger until you've got your target and keep it pointed in a safe directions at all times. Do not set it down unless you've verified it's unloaded and everybody will be fine." Given my limited selection of hanguns invariable a Glock comes along and their eyes do one of these: when I show them the manual safety on a Glock. That kind of helps drive the point home I guess. Finger on the trigger == bad. Really really bad.
I tend to equate "Don't worry, the safety is on" equal to "Don't worry, it's not loaded" in terms of responsibility when handling arms. I'm probably biased though as it seems all shooters on either side of my family think a safety magically makes the arm 100% docile and non deadly. After having my father (not much of a shooter, but been around guns his whole life) drop a mag into my Glock and rack the slide with his finger in the trigger guard and it POINTED AT MY STOMACH I've just got a bad taste in my mouth about the whole issue. Yes, I explained to him how the safety worked. I guess he figured there would be a loud "click" when the safety disengaged or something.
Any thoughts on this point of view? Aside from the Glock thing and CCW in general -- I'm just talking about range time. I'm sure as heck not going to stuff my CZ-75B into a holster for carry without the manual safety on (if in SA mode) nor am I staying anybody should attempt such a thing.
Am I totally off the wall for instructing new shooters to not even bother with a safety? I do show them where it is, and roughly how it works before shooting -- but let them know it's pointless. Don't bother flicking it on unless there's a malfunction and I want you to set the loaded weapon down for me to inspect it. Sometimes happens with my AR-15 given the shotty mags I seem to have aquired.
I do not CCW currently (few more months on that one) so my perspective is skewed.
I cannot, for the life of me, remember that last time I actually flicked a manual safety and have it actually make myself feel safer.
This has probably got something to do with how I was "re-taught" how to shoot 2 years ago. They're just not that useful, at least on the firing line. Perhaps I'm wrong, but if you follow the four rules there's no reason to employ the use of a safety at the range.
I'm fond of taking new shooters out for their first few ventures into the land of freedom. It's just something about my really cherry, docile, personality I guess that warms them up to the idea that shooters aren't raging lunatics Invariable when showing them how to operate a few different arms before we had out I always get the question "Where's the safety?" Even non-shooters know guns are supposed to have them I guess. My response is usually "Uhm, it's here." I flick it up, I flick it down and then say, "Don't bother with it. Keep your finger off the trigger until you've got your target and keep it pointed in a safe directions at all times. Do not set it down unless you've verified it's unloaded and everybody will be fine." Given my limited selection of hanguns invariable a Glock comes along and their eyes do one of these: when I show them the manual safety on a Glock. That kind of helps drive the point home I guess. Finger on the trigger == bad. Really really bad.
I tend to equate "Don't worry, the safety is on" equal to "Don't worry, it's not loaded" in terms of responsibility when handling arms. I'm probably biased though as it seems all shooters on either side of my family think a safety magically makes the arm 100% docile and non deadly. After having my father (not much of a shooter, but been around guns his whole life) drop a mag into my Glock and rack the slide with his finger in the trigger guard and it POINTED AT MY STOMACH I've just got a bad taste in my mouth about the whole issue. Yes, I explained to him how the safety worked. I guess he figured there would be a loud "click" when the safety disengaged or something.
Any thoughts on this point of view? Aside from the Glock thing and CCW in general -- I'm just talking about range time. I'm sure as heck not going to stuff my CZ-75B into a holster for carry without the manual safety on (if in SA mode) nor am I staying anybody should attempt such a thing.
Am I totally off the wall for instructing new shooters to not even bother with a safety? I do show them where it is, and roughly how it works before shooting -- but let them know it's pointless. Don't bother flicking it on unless there's a malfunction and I want you to set the loaded weapon down for me to inspect it. Sometimes happens with my AR-15 given the shotty mags I seem to have aquired.