Marines go to Semi-auto sniper rifle

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They are still keeping the bolt action M40s, but adding an AR-10 type rifle, too.

http://www.military.com/features/0,15240,104808,00.html

Scout Snipers Break in New Rifles
Marine Corps News | Lcpl. Aaron J. Rock | July 10, 2006
Ft. A.P. Hill, VA. - Scout Snipers from the 26th Marine Expeditionary Unit's Battalion Landing Team, 2nd Bn., 2nd Marine Regiment, fired their new rifles for the first time on a range here today.

The BLT Marines will use the new MK-11 semi-automatic sniper rifle simultaneously alongside the bolt-action M40A3, a descendent of the Vietnam-era M40.

The rifle resembles an M-16 on first glance, and Sgt. Gerald V. Gavin, Scout Sniper Platoon commander, said the resemblance can benefit operations on today's urban battlefields.

Gavin said the distinct look of the M40A3 makes identifying a sniper in an infantry patrol easier. The MK-11 allows the sniper to better blend in with the infantry, making them less vulnerable.

Gavin said the semi-automatic action on the new rifle, as well as the addition of a suppressor system that reduces muzzle flash and report, make it a valuable addition to the inventory.

The MK-11 comes fitted with the Scout Sniper Day Scope (SSDS), which the Marine Corps also is attaching to its existing inventory of M40A3s.

Gavin said the new scope improves the snipers ability to engage targets, offering enhanced sighting ability and ease of use. "It's a great piece of glass," he said.

Lance Cpl. James K. Dagenhart agreed with Gavin's opinion of the MK-11, and said he prefers the MK-11.

"I like it because it's semi-auto, and I love the scope. . . the new scope is money," Dagenhart said.

The MK-11 weighs 18.29 pounds fully loaded with its two-pound suppressor attached, while the M40A3 weighs in at 18.5 fully loaded.

Both rifles fire the same 7.62 mm round, and the MK-11 is accurate up to 800 yards.

Gavin said he thinks the MK-11 is a great weapon, although he is still partial to his experience with the M40A3.

The BLT and Scout Snipers will continue to train with the MEU's Aviation and Logistics Combat Elements here until the end of the month. The training at Fort A.P. Hill is the MEU's first step in a six-month pre-deployment training process designed to merge the disparate elements of the MEU into a cohesive, rapid reaction force. The 26th MEU will continue to prepare for an early 2007 deployment in support of the Global War on Terrorism.
 
Wasn't the military hesitant to use semi-auto sniper rifles because the flying brass could reflect sunlight and give away a position?
 
I think the BOOM would be more of an issue, and any rifle is going to do that. Maybe the AR-10 a bit less, since it has the optional suppressor (why suppress a supersonic round?) and all.

Besides, a brass deflector isn't expensive, and they work pretty well. :)
 
Long overdue.

M16s have topped the service rifle competition at the National Matches since the mid-90s. The AR platform is an excellent one from an accuracy standpoint, when properly set up. The AR-10 is no different.

IF flashing brass is a problem (and the whole point of sniping is to shoot from a distance where the problem is unlikely), brass-catchers are available. Unlike commercial brass that has been tumbled, military brass has a dull-finish anyway. Another plus for the semi-auto is no movement by the sniper to recycle the action, plus faster follow-up shots in the case of multiple targets.
 
Dion, the supersonic "crack" of a suppressed bullet is really not that bad. I've fired a lot of suppressed guns, and the supersonic noise is more of a chuff. A .223 goes down to about .22 LR noise level.

Plus muzzle blast noise is easy to pick out. The sound of the bullet coming at you is directionally distorted, and it is hard to figure out where it is coming from. I had a rifle bullet zip past my head one time, and I picked out the location it came from immediatly from the rifle's muzzle noise. (I also knocked the heck out of myself since I hit the ground so DAMN FAST! No danger ranger stuff, just a really unsafe hunter.) :p
 
When I was in the pits (target type) and also just alongside the bullet path to the long range targets, I got a "crack" sound from the bullet, that was at 90 degrees from the bullet path. Could tell which target had been hit that way, sometimes. It is no help in figuring out where the shooter is.

Bart Noir
 
It's an AR-10, with a flat top upper and a suppressor! Leave it to II-MEF to spend money, although the fact that it looks more like a basic M-16 is the most apealing part. Seems heavy, but for the stopping power of the 7.62 and some distance to it, I'm impressed someone was thinking. Too bad they don't put one in every squad, instead of just in the hands of the snipers. Doesn't say how many rounds the magazine holds?

We still have the DMR's in the USMC Armory, (which is a worked over M14 if you didn't know), they work good and hold 20 rounds, Engineer Units get them for counter mine and I've ran accross a few grunt squads that had them, we did take them out in Fallujah, but were forbiden to carry them in the open, sand bagged across the hummer hood! They weighted in at 11lb's empty with the bipod and scope, if I remember right?
 
When I was in the pits (target type) and also just alongside the bullet path to the long range targets, I got a "crack" sound from the bullet, that was at 90 degrees from the bullet path. Could tell which target had been hit that way, sometimes. It is no help in figuring out where the shooter is.

Actually, the crack you heard wasn't the bullet breaking the sound barrier, it was the bullet going through the target paper and cheesecloth backing.
 
They listed the weight of both rifles as over 18 lbs. :eek:

Is that correct? It seems way too heavy.
 
The weight does seem a bit high. I belive an SR-25 is about 11 pounds. I don't know what suppresor they are running with, but figure 2 pounds on the top end, and also 2 pounds max for the S&B and rings. Perhaps the bipod, but that should only be a pound.

Maybe they are using a heavier barrel profile?

This isn't anything new. The Army has been using the SR-25 for years.
 
I wonder how much of that extra weight comes from heavy barrel, suppressor, and big-ass scope.

So...what exactly is the difference between the SR-25 and AR-10?
 
So...what exactly is the difference between the SR-25 and AR-10?

Stiletto,

I believe the AR-10 is made by Armalite, while the SR-25 is made by Knights Armaments.


That does sound like a rather heavy suppressor.

B.
 
It doesn't. Accuracy is fine. You need to re-zero, as it does change your POA/POI.

The AR-10 is built by Armalite. The SR-25 by Knights. The rifles are very close. Performance wise, the Stoner has a better rep, but costs an absurd amount of money.

For the Army's recent SASS trials the competitors were Stoner, Armalite, DPMS, and Remington (who fielded an AR-10 style gun, with the receivers built by DPMS). The Stoner won, which surprised me, because the company/Reed Knight is currently under investigation for some bribery type problems with the DOD.

I do not know which suppresor the Marines are using, but the SASS called for an OpsInc can. I believe the actual weight was about 20 ounces, if I recall correctly.
 
Actually, the crack you heard wasn't the bullet breaking the sound barrier, it was the bullet going through the target paper and cheesecloth backing.

Yup, I'm sure there was sound from that. Beats a "thwak" or whatever when one strikes your buddy. That has to be one of the sickest sounds to hear.

But I have heard plenty of bullet crack by. The layout of the Spokane Rifle Range is such that the parking lot is alongside the closer firing line. So when they go back to 400 yards or whatever, the bullets go right past at about 10 high, 40 or 50 feet away. And when they are at 600 yard, moving back even farther from the parking lot/clubhouse, the bullets are cracking by higher in their arc and the muzzle reports are not that loud.

Bart Noir
 
I believe the 18lbs figure is for the whole rifle with attached gear. As I recall, there was a dust up during trials because the DPMS/Remington model only made weight when using a loaded 10rd magazine. The other entries made weight with the full 20rd mag.
 
18 pounds!!!!!!!!!!!!

Crap, my 50 cal mag fed bolt gun weighs less than that. What the hell we feeding these snipers. They must have arms of steel lugging something that heavy around.

I think this is a big mistake. If going to war, the main thought in my head is "speed is life" oh and "duck"
 
look like the AR-10 or the SR-25, which use a 20 round mag. In the guns and ammo combat weapons edition a few months ago they did a piece on the military picking up semi-auto 7.62s for snipers. I like the idea, bolt action isn't as practical as semi for moderate ranges in an urban setting.
 
Another semi auto sniping rifles for the Marines...

The Marines were already using what a couple of the other branches refer to as sniper rifles that are semi auto, the Barrett 82A1. The Marines call it a SASR (special applications scoped rifle) that is carried by some sniper teams and is used for, what's the word, er, sniping.
 
50 Freak: 18 pounds!!!!!!!!!!!!

Crap, my .50 cal mag-fed bolt gun weighs less than that. What the hell we feeding these snipers? They must have arms of steel lugging something that heavy around.
Nope... they're just Marines. :D

What was that xXx quote? "A small price to pay for putting foot to ass for my country." :evil:
 
Sadly, the insurgency doesn't have much material. So the Marines have to improvise with available targets. :)
 
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