stevereno1
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I want a camp 9 and a camp 45. I could spend a ton of $ on a thompson 45, or get the beretta carbine, but I want a reasonably priced semi auto camp 9 and a camp 45! what's the problem!!!
Marlin needs to re-introduce the camp rifles.
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In today's market for a semi-auto, it's gotta be "tactical" or it's no good in the minds of those buying the semi-auots. that means, high capacity, black loaded with silly rails, black, .223 or similar chambering and ahhhh...oh yeah if it's not military-esque, it's garbage.
Sad but true, the old Camp carbnes simply aren't "cool" enough to gather attention at the range so without that and the afore mentioned properties... no Camp Cabines.
stevereno1
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Well, my "camp" would like one, or two. You wanna talk stopping power on bad guys?! how about a .45jhp at 1200fps!!!
R.W.Dale
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In my experience the marlin camp rifles are merely OK rifles. While accurate their reliability is somewhat less than I expected, mostly due to their being very ammo sensitive. Couple that with the dubious quality of some of the internal parts, such as the recoil buffer and trigger guard assy and they just rank acceptable in my book. Not a firearm I would want to trust my life to.
In this day and age when you can buy an EXCELLENT hi-Point carbine for just over 200 smackers there simply isn't a market for the camp carbines.
another thing to note is 45 ACP gains almost nothing when fired from a carbine vs a handgun. The much higher pressure 9mm only gains about 150 fps from a carbine barrel.
In this day and age when you can buy an EXCELLENT hi-Point carbine for just over 200 smackers there simply isn't a market for the camp carbines.
another thing to note is 45 ACP gains almost nothing when fired from a carbine vs a handgun. The much higher pressure 9mm only gains about 150 fps from a carbine barrel.
stevereno1
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Oh, maybe that's why they discontinued them. I still want one!
Yeah. A .357 or .44 lever gun makes a lot more sense, since the round gains a good deal of velocity, and it's a viable hunting round within its effective range. Marlin makes some nice ones -- accurate, too. The 1894 series can be addictive.
It's hard to see what a camp carbine does that a 1911 doesn't, and .45ACP isn't a cheap plinking round any more.
Maybe an M1 Carbine would work for you?
It's hard to see what a camp carbine does that a 1911 doesn't, and .45ACP isn't a cheap plinking round any more.
Maybe an M1 Carbine would work for you?
jpwilly
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Good luck. There like $500 or so. Way overpriced and hard to come by. I'd spend the money on something much better! Ruger makes a PC4 40 cal. Kinda like a Camp Carbine.
ThomasT
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I'm on my second camp carbine 9mm and love it. The first was owned by my shooting buddy. His son killed his first deer with it. The bullet went completely through and the deer dropped after 40 yards leaving a blood trail Ray Charles could follow.
I bought one of GB for $286.00. I have 2 14 round and 3 20 round mags. I have never had a single malfuction out of either of my 9s. The above mentioned friend has 38 acres in Weatherford Tx. We like to shoot a 3" metal post he has on the far side of his pond that is over a hundred yards away. Hitting the post off hand 6 out of 10 shots is no trick. The bullet still hits hard at that range.
I have a Hi-Point 9 also. It too is a good gun. I just like the Marlins better.
I bought one of GB for $286.00. I have 2 14 round and 3 20 round mags. I have never had a single malfuction out of either of my 9s. The above mentioned friend has 38 acres in Weatherford Tx. We like to shoot a 3" metal post he has on the far side of his pond that is over a hundred yards away. Hitting the post off hand 6 out of 10 shots is no trick. The bullet still hits hard at that range.
I have a Hi-Point 9 also. It too is a good gun. I just like the Marlins better.
Dave Markowitz
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I have a Camp 45 which has been both accurate and reliable. Just replace the buffer and install a 21# Wolff recoil spring if you get one. With a red dot sight it is fast on close range targets. I'd like to get a Camp 9 as well.
Although neither 9mm nor .45 ACP gain much velocity from the CC barrels, it is much easier for the vast majority of shooters to properly place their shots with a carbine vs. a pistol. Another advantage that carbines in 9mm and .45 have is the mild report. This is very nice when shooting indoors or in developed areas.
Finally, the Marlin Camp Carbines have a big avantage over the Hi Points in that they take common, high quality magazines. In the case of the Camp 9s, they use S&W 59xx series mags which are common, cheap, made well, and hold more than 10 rounds. E.g., 20 round Mec-Gars. Camp 45s use 1911 magazines. And finally, there is still no Hi Point in .45 ACP.
Although neither 9mm nor .45 ACP gain much velocity from the CC barrels, it is much easier for the vast majority of shooters to properly place their shots with a carbine vs. a pistol. Another advantage that carbines in 9mm and .45 have is the mild report. This is very nice when shooting indoors or in developed areas.
Finally, the Marlin Camp Carbines have a big avantage over the Hi Points in that they take common, high quality magazines. In the case of the Camp 9s, they use S&W 59xx series mags which are common, cheap, made well, and hold more than 10 rounds. E.g., 20 round Mec-Gars. Camp 45s use 1911 magazines. And finally, there is still no Hi Point in .45 ACP.
Good point. I'll have to get one so I can plink in the living room of my condo.
(I actually have done that with a revolver loaded .22 CB shorts; even those are pretty loud, as I found out, and they penetrate better than I thought, too.
)The report from my 1894C with .38 Specials is pretty low, too, though. And that thing is a LOT of fun to shoot.
Caipirinha
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I'd love a .44 semiauto carbine with 10 round or more capacity.
jpwilly
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Olyimpic Arms makes pistol caliber uppers for AR's...Spendy but nice selection.
The Ruger PC9 or PC4's aren't hard to get ... that was my point. I know they aren't available new. Gun Broker and a few other places have them for under $400.
Hi Point had a 9mm Carbine and 40 Cal Carbine.
Kel-Tec has a few Carbine's in pistol calibers.
There's a guy here in Phoenix that makes a suppressed 45cal carbine...looks a lot like the Ruger or Marlin Camp. I think that would be the ticket!
The Ruger PC9 or PC4's aren't hard to get ... that was my point. I know they aren't available new. Gun Broker and a few other places have them for under $400.
Hi Point had a 9mm Carbine and 40 Cal Carbine.
Kel-Tec has a few Carbine's in pistol calibers.
There's a guy here in Phoenix that makes a suppressed 45cal carbine...looks a lot like the Ruger or Marlin Camp. I think that would be the ticket!
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If they had been able to make it in the marketplace they would still be with us. Sad, but a common occurance in the firearms industry....Essex
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ulflyer
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Marlin Camp 9
Saw one in the gun show at Bisco NC this saturday priced at $400. Looked very nice and I'm sure dealer would come down a little on that. Unfortunately, I don't recall who the dealer was. Will keep my eye out at future shows as I think I will recognize him, and post it here if I see one.
I just bought the 45 by phone to be delivered shortly from a gents here in my home state. Prob gonna put a red dot on it. I reload so finding a good load should be no problem. I load light for my 1911's and am curious if the lighter spring that comes in them (15lb) would work with light loads. I shoot paper or cans and such, not critters, so velocity means nothing to me.
Saw one in the gun show at Bisco NC this saturday priced at $400. Looked very nice and I'm sure dealer would come down a little on that. Unfortunately, I don't recall who the dealer was. Will keep my eye out at future shows as I think I will recognize him, and post it here if I see one.
I just bought the 45 by phone to be delivered shortly from a gents here in my home state. Prob gonna put a red dot on it. I reload so finding a good load should be no problem. I load light for my 1911's and am curious if the lighter spring that comes in them (15lb) would work with light loads. I shoot paper or cans and such, not critters, so velocity means nothing to me.
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I would respectfully disagree with that. In my .45acp camp carbine actual testing with a chronograph showed that the increase in velocity over a 4" S&W M625 varied from 60 to 251 fps. Winchester 185 grain Silvertips for example tracked at 222 fps faster than from the revolver, while 225 grain reloads with 6.8 Unique were 251 fps faster. Even Winchester White Box was 139 fps faster.
rbernie
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This was the deal-killer. They were nice toys, but they're simply not suitable for serious work. At one point, I had a -9 and a -45. I've since sold both.
Fun? Sure. But not close to $500 worth of fun, which is what they're costing these days.
DMK
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I agree. I had a Camp 9. It was an attractive carbine and shot very accurately. It was completely reliable with anything I fed it, but it was a real pain to clean. It strips and cleans just like a Marlin 60. I also was not impressed with the quality of parts. In fact, it was built just like a Marlin 60, plastic trigger guard an all.
I sold it and got an AR15. Much better built, much easier to maintain and just as (if not more) accurate.
There seems to be lots of interest on gun boards for pistol caliber carbines, but when it comes to sales, they don't do so well.
The Camp carbines are not unique. The Ruger carbines is pistol caliber and the Beretta's aren't selling well either. And with the current price for ammo, they aren't even cheap plinkers any more.
The Camp carbines are not unique. The Ruger carbines is pistol caliber and the Beretta's aren't selling well either. And with the current price for ammo, they aren't even cheap plinkers any more.
geekWithA.45
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The marlin camp carbines are really good, reliable and accurate guns for the moderate price point plinking and casual shooting markets.
They're great little guns, and mine's accurate as all get out, making 60 caliber holes all day long @ 50 yards.
They're simple guns of reasonable quality, and so people wanted them to be more than they really are. They seem to beg to sit in a self-defense/SHTF niche, but when you evaluate the gun for that role with a critical eye, its shortcomings start becoming more important to you, and it becomes apparent that the gun isn't quite as attractive as it once sounded.
Sure, it'll fit the SD/SHTF niche, but with reservations.
In addition to field maintenance and toughness issues, these rifles all share the same shortcomings that any pistol caliber longarm has, which is the deficiencies of the pistol round itself.
Assuming one already has a pistol and is proficient with it, if one is to go through the extra trouble of lugging a long arm around, oughtn't one also have the benefits of a long gun, in terms of range and terminal oomph, rather than essentially duplicating the capabilities of the pistol in one's pocket?
The one place pistol caliber carbines shine, though, is in the hands of the casual shooter who has not put in the effort necessary for pistol proficiency, but finds himself thrust into dire circumstances. The ease of hitting, handling and modest recoil all serve the ends of that person's survival.
They're great little guns, and mine's accurate as all get out, making 60 caliber holes all day long @ 50 yards.
They're simple guns of reasonable quality, and so people wanted them to be more than they really are. They seem to beg to sit in a self-defense/SHTF niche, but when you evaluate the gun for that role with a critical eye, its shortcomings start becoming more important to you, and it becomes apparent that the gun isn't quite as attractive as it once sounded.
Sure, it'll fit the SD/SHTF niche, but with reservations.
In addition to field maintenance and toughness issues, these rifles all share the same shortcomings that any pistol caliber longarm has, which is the deficiencies of the pistol round itself.
Assuming one already has a pistol and is proficient with it, if one is to go through the extra trouble of lugging a long arm around, oughtn't one also have the benefits of a long gun, in terms of range and terminal oomph, rather than essentially duplicating the capabilities of the pistol in one's pocket?
The one place pistol caliber carbines shine, though, is in the hands of the casual shooter who has not put in the effort necessary for pistol proficiency, but finds himself thrust into dire circumstances. The ease of hitting, handling and modest recoil all serve the ends of that person's survival.
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