Marlin Papoose: Ultimate 22LR Survival Rifle?

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Alright guys, I thought I would give an update. I bought a Marlin Papoose several months ago and I would like to share some of my experiences with it. Accuracy and reliablity are both very good. I have only had failures with Fiocchi and Aguilla ammunition (go figure :roll: ) but with CCI ammo it has been 100%.

Here are some groups taken from 25 yards at an indoor range while standing and resting my elbows on the table. The scope was set at 4.5X and I didn't really take too much time with these shots. I dime is shown in the center of the targets.

From Left to Right and Top to Bottom:
CCI Blazer 40g LRN, CCI Mini-Mag 40g CPRN, CCI Mini-Mag 36g CPHP, CCI Velocitor 40g CPHP
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Fiocchi High Velocity 40g LRN, Remington Bulk 36g CPHP, Aguilla Rifle Match 40g LRN. Aguilla Pistol Match 40g LRN
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As far as the rifle goes I have mounted a picatinny rail, Leopold see-thru rings, and Bushnell Banner 1.5-4.5X scope. I've taken off the factory iron sights and installed a Kel-Tec SU-16 rear sight and an old 10/22 front sight I had laying around. I plan on getting the tech sights front sight since the current front sight isn't tall enough to zero the rifle at 50 meters. But even so the sight picture is very good and very fast to aquire. It offers an excellent backup if the scope fails and it should NOT require a rezero upon barrel removal.
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I have added a modified buttstock shotgun shell holder that holds 5 ten round magazines.
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I have also modified the buttplate with a shoe string that allows for quick removal.
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Inside there is enough room to fit 200 loose rounds in a plastic baggie.
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Here it is in its factory floating case with its barrel, barrel wrench, scope, tools, and extra mags/ammo.
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Some of my Observations

Pros:

-Accurate: The groups speak for themselves
-Durable: Stainless steel and aluminum construction.
-Reliable: Over 500 rounds of CCI ammo and NO failures of any kind. It seems very reliable for a rimfire.
-Compact: Breaksdown to around 20" and can easily fit into any backpack.
-Light Weight: 3.25 lbs empty and is around 6 lbs with everthing in the picture. 22LR ammo is very light.
-Easy to maintain and repair: very simple design and easier to takedown than the 10/22.
-Bolt hold open: What can I say, the 10/22 doesn't and its a nice feature.
-compact magazines: Mags are more compact than the 10/22 and have been 100% reliable so far.

Cons:

-Difficult to mount scope: it uses a 3/8 scope base which is notorious for scope drift, I had to mount a sturdy picatinny rail to keep my scope from moving and it was an extra $30
-Poor factory iron sights: stock sights suck pretty bad IMHO so I had to get something better. By the time I am done with mine I will have $25 invested in iron sights.
-Loss of zero with scope: The POI will change slightly when removing the barrel but not much. My scope has quick adjusting windage and elevation knobs making the process pretty seamless and I can zero it in around 5 shots. I don't consider this to be a big deal since once the rifle is deployed in a survival situation it will probably stay that way.
-Barrel nut might come loose after extended firing: After firing 50 rounds in rapidly the barrel on mine has come a little loose. Its easy to tighten right back it right back up and again its not a huge issue since I don't see the rifle shot very often when hunting.
-Stiff trigger: pretty common with rimfires, particularly Marlins. Its stiff but quite workable as you can see.
-Difficult magazine release: Mag release is a pain and I requires two hands to operate.

As you can see it is not without its problems but even so it seems to be to be pretty a sturdy and very nice rifle. It won't be replacing my 10/22 anytime soon but it feels the survival role better even though it doesn't really compete with my 10/22's versatility.

All in all, it is an excellent pack rifle and should serve well in a survival role or at least as well as a 22LR can. Its certainly much better than the AR7 and it offers more firepower than a bolt action like the Chipmunk.
 
Nice shooting. I'm really fond of mine. Wish the trigger was a little nicer, but other than that I'm pleased with the stock rifle. Let us know how the new sights end up working.
 
I have one, bought new way back when wood stock, red case - nice enough, but not that reliable in the long run, not for a "survival pack rifle"
if that really were the topic, would more likely choose a chipmunk w/ a spare bolt in hollowed buttstock, and no scope, fewer things to go wrong with, kiss
 
but not that reliable in the long run

Curious to hear that myself. The action is similar to the marlin 60. I have two from back in the 80's that have 18 round tubes. The just keep right on running unless there's enough debris in there to physically stop the action, which is all you could ask for. I have no idea what the round count is, but they've ate 10's of 1000's of rounds of cheap, bulk ammo in their lifetime and still remain accurate and consistent. My nephew has had one since the same time frame that has never seen a detail strip, just the occasional bore snake and shot of wd-40. It still goes bang every time when we break out the race tree.
 
Late model Marlin 60s and their related brethren like the Papoose all share a similar fault, the newer style plastic trigger assembly. If you go to RimfireCentral.com you will find a multitude of reports concerning the plastic guard cracking and failing, resulting in the rifle being rendered useless until repaired or replaced. This is not an internet rumor, but a known failing that has been seen multiple times.

If you really want to upgrade the Papoose to make it as reliable as possible, do some search on the RimfireCentral forums for the fellow who makes machined aluminum replacement trigger assemblies and sleep well at night while "surviving".

BTW, read up on my recent alternative to the Papoose: http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=559170

While still a work in progress, I am into the whole thing for far less than the cost of a new Papoose. Not knocking the Papoose mind you, I will likely spring for one someday, just another take on the idea......
 
Yeah, I've read that about the Marlin's over on rimfirecentral. I don't doubt it one bit. But like I said, mine are 15+ years old with several years of use and even some abuse. Maybe it's because of the mild winters here or just luck. But I would still trust one as go to gun.

I see your point though, as a survival pack item, I'd rather replace the assembly with one of the aluminum assemblies. I wouldn't ditch the scope, though. He has them on see thru rings so if worse comes to worse, he can just take them off. Well, maybe if it were a "true" survival pack in which I knew my life depended on it. That scope would take up space for medical stuff or food. But for all around plinking and hunting, I'd leave it. It isn't like he doesn't have irons to fall back on (though the see thru rings do limit your field of view...I had a set myself :) )

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Trigger guards:
http://www.diproductsinc.com/Products.aspx?CAT=3603
 
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it's not the trigger assembly, nothin' broke, always did keep all mine real clean, and I have several magazines for it
but it was/is real prone to jam more often than ought - never could figure out just why, it is the older model
depends maybe on how many rounds you run per session, or maybe I just got an unlucky one

tis similar to the model 60 action, and the model 60 is notoriously reliable, not a jammer
always was a fun little gun though, never have really shot it all that much, too many others in the gun safe you know
 
If it malfunctions that consistently maybe it needs a replacement part. What kind of jams? I got a lot of stovepipes in my 10/22 until I replaced the extractor. It's been great since then.
 
A late reply, but the Model 70 based versions are very dependent on the fit of the magazine for reliable feeding, which is where the Marlin 60 has advantages.

The tube fed 60s have a solidly mounted feed system, while the 70s share what might be a tolerance stack problem, wobbly or loose fitting magazines.

While working with the old AR-7 design, which is notorious for magazine feeding issues, we used to shim magazines and releases using aluminum cut from soda or beer cans to achieve a more solidly fitted magazine. Feeding reliability went up markedly. I have observed some Marlin 70s that exhibit the same sort of issues, so they may well respond to similar tweaking.
 
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