Martial Law is happening now, removal of second amendment rights as well as others!

[blarby]

This is actually pretty up-and-up for a state of emergency.

If you live in one of the zones, they are doing everything in their power to prevent the horde from showing up in your community each nightfall.

You aren't giving up your rights to defend your property, you also aren't giving up the rights to use or possess your guns in this effort....you ARE prevented from taking them off your property or transferring them to another party until the state of emergency had been lifted. One of the main reasons for this, is that it prevents " Armed posses " if you will.

You dont want armed posses.... As fun as that sounds.

In addition, were I standing on my destroyed property, and you and a friend came runnin over with your guns....at night..... I "may" view that as hostile, and I'm probably not in my best frame of mind to begin with.... Again, this state of emergency prevents further tragedy.

If they had accepted the federal disaster relief, THEN you would/may have had a problem with your guns- but thats a separate issue.

Good for ya'll for lettin the state sort it out, not the fed.

As has already been noted, this is NOT martial law.

As has sort of been noted, they are not removing your second amendment rights. Theres nothing in the 2nd about transferring.

Just out of curiosity....instead of waxing dramatic about some perceived wrongs with yer keyboard....if you are really that concerned about yer fellow man....why not set down the mouse and go help ? They need it.... They will take it...

 

[MtnCreek]

Blarby,

Sorry man, I have to disagree with you on this one. IMHO, the State of NC has passed a law that does prevent persons from exercising their 2A rights during a declared emergency. While guns are not being confiscated, law abiding citizens are prevented from lawfully possessing their firearms off their property. As we know from other firearms laws, only the law abiding comply. The same law also prevents someone from lawfully possessing a firearm in the general area of a riot; I would want a firearm handy in that situation as well. Think on it a little more and I think you may change your mind.

MtnCreek

 

[hso]

NC law needs to be changed as other states (like TN) did after Katrina.

 

[Shadow 7D]

my understanding is that NC was one of the FIRST states to change the law, I'm kinda wondering the legality of number 6

it may squeak past since its just a prohibition of possessing explosives (take it to mean ammo) with a gun off you property??

 

[SigMic]

That is correct, but what would you be doing out OFF your property and out during the curfew?

Perhaps heading over to the neighbor down the road to exchange water for some fruits he has.
Perhaps heading over to see your neighbor friend to celebrate his birthday.
Perhaps bringing food over to the church that might be a makeshift shelter for some of the people that lost their homes.

Do you really not imagine a scenario where somebody would have something they would need or want to do after 6:30pm?

Just because their is a disaster in an area, doesn't mean people don't have lives to live.

Government actions to suppress liberties should be questioned and resisted. Blindly accepting them because somebody may means well in enacting them is not a good thing for those who believe in liberty.

 

[blarby]

Mtn : I'm going to have to go with the 2nd as written, not "implied" or extrapolated on this one.

There are certainly municipalities whose emergency plans run seriously afoul of the 2nd A. This doesn't appear to be one of them.... Although I do understand that in defending it, "we can brook no quarter, even in reason"..... In an advancement of some logic, not simply opinion, I can see their reasoning for these restrictions.

It would seem in this case that they actually went out of their way to incorporate the 2nd A, while doing everything within their power to protect the population from themselves during such an event.

" Their power" "protect from themselves" "restrictions" I know.... I know.... But in instances like these, the likelihood of a "friendly fire" incident under duress increase substantially. Whether neighbor vs neighbor, or National Guard patrol at night vs three armed men in the street- tensions of this nature provide for quick triggers.

I can envision the scenarios....and there are many.

A healthy dose of reality can help here. This is a natural disaster.... This isn't the precursor to armed insurrection nor a hostile military takeover by the county clerk preceded by a door-to-door collection of arms and munitions.

The restrictions as written aren't depriving you of your ability to keep or bear arms.....they are restricting you from running amok with them under the cover of darkness in a disaster zone.... I can't imagine why someone might think thats appropriate.

With that said, if they show up at your door vis-a-vis katrina....thats an entirely different ballgame, but not even in the same league as the restrictions laid out here. In that scenario ( katrina ) YES, I believe there's willful and unlawful stripping of constitutional rights.

THAT situation could indeed leave an unarmed and distraught populace seriously deprived of their right to repel and resist the real possibility of tyranny, one that such a population entirely dependent on government subsidy and functionality could be subjected to.

 

[thefamcnaj]

NC has concealed carry, right? If so do they mean that one can't carry at this time?

Yes thats what it means. If a state of emergency is declared in an area of NC, then people of that area can not leave their property with a gun. Reguardless if they have a cwp.

 

[Orkan]

Any person, law enforcement or otherwise, that tries to disarm me when I've not violated another persons rights will be deemed hostile. If he approaches onto my property, he will be deemed a threat. If he persists, a gunfight will ensue, which given the amount of firepower my family can bring to the table... he'll likely be declared worm food after that. Some of us might be feeding the worms right next to him... but that is a price we're all willing to pay to be free.

Disasters such as those during katrina and now are when people need their firearms the most, to protect their family and property. Any government official that would come and take them is an enemy of freedom and should be treated as such.

 

[blarby]

I agree Orkan.

Thankfully in this case, they aren't coming to take them.

Conversely, if someone shows up on your property, armed, not possessing a badge or a bulldozer, given these restrictions in place here, I'd say you'd have a pretty good leg to stand on for "pre-emptive" defense.

 

[SigMic]

Any person, law enforcement or otherwise, that tries to disarm me when I've not violated another persons rights will be deemed hostile. If he approaches onto my property, he will be deemed a threat. If he persists, a gunfight will ensue, which given the amount of firepower my family can bring to the table... he'll likely be declared worm food after that. Some of us might be feeding the worms right next to him... but that is a price we're all willing to pay to be free.

Disasters such as those during katrina and now are when people need their firearms the most, to protect their family and property. Any government official that would come and take them is an enemy of freedom and should be treated as such.

I won't agree with that out loud. But I can appreciate your thinking.

 

[signalzero]

It's purely a formality. Stop freaking out.

 

[Orkan]

It's purely a formality. Stop freaking out.

Perhaps. Yet I'm sure the jews were told the same thing about their registration.

Once its on paper as law... it can be used. Just because the current administration isn't using it, doesn't mean they can't or won't.

Notice that no non-criminal is targeted by the government. They word it carefully to ensure you are breaking "some" law... and then they can do whatever they want to the "criminal."

When it comes to assaults on our freedom, and given how many of those assaults have taken place in my short lifetime, I'd rather over-react than under-react.

 

[blarby]

Perhaps. Yet I'm sure the jews were told the same thing about their registration.

Wow. I guess when you have a hammer, those nails do start popping up everywhere.


I really think that any link between holocaust era weapons collection and registration and this event is straining credulity at the very best.

The difference between these two events, and how they are applied, is really pretty apparent. So is the legislatures intent in their wording of this, to make it NOT that scenario.

Geez louise...

 

[Orkan]

I really think that any link between holocaust era weapons collection and registration and this event is straining credulity at the very best.

It always does. It never seems possible... right until it happens.

If you doubt it... ask the austrailians, british, chinese, or russians.

If you think they'll be up-front about firearm confiscation, you are dead wrong. They'll do it like thieves in the night. Just like they did during katrina. The blase attitude about it gives those that want to do it all the reinforcement they need.

No government at any level has any business regulating or otherwise denying movement or firearms ownership in this country. Our constitution prohibits it. Yet the acceptance of it by many Americans is what leads to it continuing.

 

[rajb123]

...this action by the authorities seems very harsh and unneccessary.....if you give the government the authority to do this, they will.... and that is ignoring our rights under the 2nd...

If you told me this was happening in California or NY, I would not be surprised. ...but NC??? Yikes!

 

[blarby]

Okily dokily....... Going back to the land of reason now.

S'been an interesting diversion.

 

[hipoint]

this wasn't as much about the guns as it was about the total loss if rights here... the laws I posted were very clear, and it is a CRIME to be on your front porch, in your yard, or out on your farm after 6:30 pm. that means if you go out to your car to get say, your sweater or cigarette lighter you can be arrested.

This is not in the suburbs, this is a rural area where most people own at least 5 acres of land, usually much more.

No one ever said they were confiscating guns out of your home here anyhow, don't know where some of you got that from.

And anyone saying "don't worry about it" I'd like to see you say the same thing after getting arrested for taking your garbage out after 6:30...

this is pretty darn heinous, now of course nothing like what I mentioned will happen, but the fact that the law allows for it is what worries me!

 

[Orkan]

this is pretty darn heinous, now of course nothing like what I mentioned will happen, but the fact that the law allows for it is what worries me!

If it's written in law, then they can do it, and anyone resisting will be considered a "criminal." Once you are labelled a "criminal," society at large really doesn't care what happens to you.

 

[hso]

Orkan,

No one is coming onto anyone's property and taking anyone's guns away in NC. You should look at what's actually happening and tone the hyperbolic rhetoric down to fit the real situation. There won't be anyone on your side of the sights left if you start shooting LE that come onto your property without prior permission. Paranoid rants don't fit in with THR.

What needs to be done is calls are needed to get the NC Governor to dump ice water on the county and get them to change their overstated restriction to "property" instead of "home" AND the folks in NC need to get organized and get NC state law revised to permit CCW in emergencies.

 

[Owen Sparks]

Yes, State of Emergency means temporary suspension your concealed carry permit and many other privileges

This is the problem right here.
Rights have become privileges to be granted and denied by the state.

 

[henschman]

One way to fight this would be to make yourself a test case. Carry a gun in a method that would otherwise be completely legal, such as concealed pursuant to a concealed carry license, and then basically try to go get arrested for it. Go to the disaster area and tell any officers you see that you believe this ordinance to be unconstitutional and that you are carrying a gun. If you get arrested and charged, you can invoke the 2nd Amendment defense, and/or the corresponding part of your state's constitution. You might even be able to get an NRA lawyer, but don't count on it. Plan on funding your own legal defense if you are going to take this course of action.

 

[Orkan]

No one is coming onto anyone's property and taking anyone's guns away in NC. You should look at what's actually happening and tone the hyperbolic rhetoric down to fit the real situation.

Actually, they did. Maybe not this time, but during katrina they did exactly that. They came into people's homes, and took their guns. This was clearly documented as fact. I personally talked to someone that had it happen. There was also a documentary made about it.

I for one, don't want to see that happen again, for any reason.

Is that not a real situation? It may not be happening now, but I'm with the OP. I'm not for any law that makes it easily possible. I agree, they need to get together and change the law to remove that offensive wording in regard to ALL of the citizens constitutional rights. I don't see how that is hyperbolic rhetoric.

 

[JohnBT]

www.wxii12.com/weather/22487153/detail.html

"The state of emergency was lifted Monday morning" in the town of King. Looks like King is in Stokes County.

Hundreds of "threats" were received. No arrests for driving after midnight, etc.


“By law, statute 14-288.7 automatically went into effect. And that law which goes into effect when there’s a state of emergency prohibits the transportation, purchase sale and possession of firearms other than on one's own premises.”

 

[JohnBT]

Note that it was lifted this morning. It's 3:43 p.m. on the east coast now and the fearmongering has continued for hours.

 

[blarby]

Dwelling :

According to N.C. Gen. Stat. § 160A-442 , "Dwelling" means any building, structure, manufactured home or mobile home, or part thereof, used and occupied for human habitation or intended to be so used, and includes any outhouses and appurtenances belonging thereto or usually enjoyed therewith, except that it does not include any manufactured home or mobile home, which is used solely for a seasonal vacation purpose.

According to N.C. Gen. Stat. § 53-244.030, "Dwelling" means a residential structure that contains one to four units, whether or not that structure is attached to real property. The term includes an individual condominium unit, cooperative unit, manufactured home, mobile home, or trailer if it is used as a residence.

Your porch is OK. Any appurtenant structure is OK. Driveways, if improved, are considered structures in the eyes of the law, and insurance.

so :

this wasn't as much about the guns as it was about the total loss if rights here... the laws I posted were very clear, and it is a CRIME to be on your front porch, in your yard, or out on your farm after 6:30 pm. that means if you go out to your car to get say, your sweater or cigarette lighter you can be arrested.

Are all basically false statements in light of that information.

Perhaps heading over to the neighbor down the road to exchange water for some fruits he has.
Perhaps heading over to see your neighbor friend to celebrate his birthday.
Perhaps bringing food over to the church that might be a makeshift shelter for some of the people that lost their homes.

All of which can be accomplished during daylight hours. An evening disco in a disaster zone is both highly unlikely, and as stated- dangerous to those parties concerns. The reason(s) for that as stated :

These areas are without power and may pose a dangerous environment to homeowners, travelers and community members.

Are clear, reasonable, and the implementation of that for a limited duration, is prudent.