McCain on Meet The Press...
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Lone_Gunman
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Get used to him... He's running in 2008. Bush feels the same way though.
This "we're making employers break the law" will the marketing pitch for his immigration reform crap. We're moving from "It's for the children" to "It's for the employers".
Remember, in a Hillary vs. McCain in 2008 will be another "I can't throw my precious vote away on a 3rd party - so I'll vote for McCain". The summer of 2008 this forum will be full of that discussion.
Remember, in a Hillary vs. McCain in 2008 will be another "I can't throw my precious vote away on a 3rd party - so I'll vote for McCain". The summer of 2008 this forum will be full of that discussion.
Lone_Gunman
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I agree with that.
Right now, the Republican lap dogs here are all saying McCain will not get the nomination, but I believe they are wrong. The Republicans will have to run a strong, well known candidate to beat Hillary. They don't have a lot of options other than McCain.
A lot of people here think Condoleeza Rice could be the nominee, but I don't think she has a chance.
Condi says she won't do it. She probably is too smart to want the job. That's why she would be a good candidate. 
Hillary vs. Condi - that would be something to see. Betcha, it is two boring old toot male governors from two Mooville states.
Both will take an O/U shotgun and tramp around in the fields and proclaim 'guns R for sportsmen'.
Hillary vs. Condi - that would be something to see. Betcha, it is two boring old toot male governors from two Mooville states.
Both will take an O/U shotgun and tramp around in the fields and proclaim 'guns R for sportsmen'.
2nd Amendment
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If Dr Rice wants the nomination she'll have it. If she is nominated she'll be the next president. Her race, gender and politics give her an advantage over Hillary.
If McVain runs then I believe you are wrong. The Repub apologists, and people like myself who are simply practical, will either be staying home or voting less "practical". Whatever, McVain would be the end of the Repub party as a meaningful conservative bastion, and a Hillary "presidency" would be the end of our Constitutional Republic. Yes, I DO believe it would be that bad...in a best case scenerio.
If McVain runs then I believe you are wrong. The Repub apologists, and people like myself who are simply practical, will either be staying home or voting less "practical". Whatever, McVain would be the end of the Repub party as a meaningful conservative bastion, and a Hillary "presidency" would be the end of our Constitutional Republic. Yes, I DO believe it would be that bad...in a best case scenerio.
nico
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you may be right, but McCain could very well be the last nail in the coffin.
Lone_Gunman
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I don't believe you are correct. It is my opinion, and I admit it is strictly opinion, that a deal was struck between McCain and the party machinery prior to 2004, whereby he would remain in the party and not run as an independent or chastise Bush prior to the 2004 election, in return for the 2008 nomination.
2nd Amendment
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Deals are made to be broken. In politics part of the fun of deal breaking, especially against a goober such as McVain whose career has reached its end, is the look on their faces when you kick them to the curb.
OTOH, if you are right and McVain is a sure thing, then the US will not be the same nation by 2012, whomever wins. And people like a lot, perhaps a majority, of TFL members will find life very uncomfortable at least.
OTOH, if you are right and McVain is a sure thing, then the US will not be the same nation by 2012, whomever wins. And people like a lot, perhaps a majority, of TFL members will find life very uncomfortable at least.
McCain will never get the party nomination, unless he's the only candidate, and that's not going to happen. It's the party faithful that votes in primaries, they're good and pissed at him, and they're not bound by any "deals" made by anyone.
The real danger is if he gets mad about being rejected and runs a third party campaign. That could draw enough votes away from the republican to let Hillary win.
The real danger is if he gets mad about being rejected and runs a third party campaign. That could draw enough votes away from the republican to let Hillary win.
beerslurpy
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Somehow I doubt that only one person wants to run on the republican ticket in 08. I also doubt that the conservatives will let his slimy personage have the nomination.
Not that he would get nominated, but think Ron Paul could run? I mean, he is technically a republican, and its not against the law for him to run.
Not that he would get nominated, but think Ron Paul could run? I mean, he is technically a republican, and its not against the law for him to run.
Monkeyleg
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The only people who like McCain are Democrats and the media. He never gets the nomination. And he won't run as an independent, as it would diminish his stature (and thus face time on the talk shows).
Lone_Gunman
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Thats exactly why I think the Republicans will run him.
My theory presumes that Hillary will be the Democratic candidate. In a race between McCain and Hillary, McCain will win. I do not believe anyone else can beat Hillary, because McCain, and only McCain, can steal votes away from her own Democratic party members.
Hillary scares the hell out of even some Democrats, so they will defect and vote for McCain, since they interpret him as "moderate". They won't if a real Republican runs. If you run Condoleeza Rice, every moderate and liberal Democrat will be sure to turn out and vote against her, at least once.
All the Republicans, even you guys who are so against McCain right now, will vote for McCain too, and justify it as another "lesser of two evils" election. By the time you guys cast your votes for McCain in 2008, you will have actually convinced yourselves he is not so bad, and will chastise severely any conservative or libertarian minded individual who would oppose his campaign. Cries of "this election is too important to vote your conscience" will abound on political fourms.
The Republican Party will end up picking someone they think will win, and political agendas will be only a secondary consideration. Some of you think it will be up to the voters to decide who wins the primary. True, but the voters will be told who the party thinks is more likely to win a general election, and so they will vote for him... thats basically what happened with Bush.
2nd Amendment
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I would literally vote for Hillary herself before I would vote for McVain. Hillary is a corrupt leftist socialist looking to subject the US to a Globalist control. McVain is a psychotic capable of damn near anything.
Also, McVain wouldn't have a prayer against Hillary. She doesn't scare the base and the rest, being typical Dems, will pull the party lever because that is what they do. But like I said elsewhere, a real conservative would win going away. There are many more conservatives, and far more hard right ones, than ever show up in elections because there is never a candidate for them to vote for.
We've seen every leftist who is ever going to vote. The last election was all they got. We haven't even seen a decent showing of conservatives yet...and we won't until the Repubs grow the balls to actually run such a being. I admit, I am not holding my breath.
Also, McVain wouldn't have a prayer against Hillary. She doesn't scare the base and the rest, being typical Dems, will pull the party lever because that is what they do. But like I said elsewhere, a real conservative would win going away. There are many more conservatives, and far more hard right ones, than ever show up in elections because there is never a candidate for them to vote for.
We've seen every leftist who is ever going to vote. The last election was all they got. We haven't even seen a decent showing of conservatives yet...and we won't until the Repubs grow the balls to actually run such a being. I admit, I am not holding my breath.
longhorngunman
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McCain ain't gonna be the nominee. Remember the candidate is selected in the primaries where only the hard core of both parties vote. Ain't no way McCain(especially with his role in the judicial agreement) gets it. neither will Rudy. I'll place my money on Sen. George Allen. Same reason you won't get a real candidate in the Democratic side. The base of the Dem party is a bunch of socialist wanna be Commies therefore Hillary gets it instead of an actually viable candidate like Sen. Evan Bayh of Indiana.
GoRon
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No way, there is a big difference between Bush and McVain.
If by some stroke of bad luck McVain got nominated the turnout on the Republican side would reach all time lows.
I would vote for Libertarian and Constitution party candidates across the board.
If McVain was nominated I wouldn't give the Republicans a single vote for a single office.
bjbarron
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Don't bet on it. 20% of us voted for Perot (and I still don't regret it) and gave the election to Clinton. I believe that was a powerful message to the Republicans at the time. That will be 16 years in the past in 2008...Perhaps another message is needed.
Condi needs executive branch experience...VP for McCain? Now that would be a quandary.
Truth. McCain is not the choice of the activist wing of the Republican Party.
What to do. I will not vote for McCain, and I will not vote for Hillary. I will vote. It's fun to talk about, but too soon to tell. Senators do not make good presidential candidates....two boring old toot male governors from two Mooville states is a good description of who can win.
Now that is an excellent observation...from your lips to God's ear. It's true that the demographics are not on the side of the leftist, and the pendulum of public opinion has swung back from the excesses of the 60's...but I would very much like to believe that theirs is as dying an ideology as Marxism.
My problem of course is that the current neo-conservatism is functionally identical to what liberal Democrats were 40 years ago. This current crop of Republicans wouldn't recognize conservatism if it bit them on their forked tongues.
In other words, I have watched both parties slide to the left over my 40 years of voting. The middle ain't where it used to be, I can tell you that.
shermacman
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McCain in 2008.
That would do it, I suppose:
Pigs would fly;
Invest in Zamboni stock--->Big demand expected in Hell;
That would do it, I suppose:
Pigs would fly;
Invest in Zamboni stock--->Big demand expected in Hell;
Lone_Gunman
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See you guys are already doing what I said you would do. You are talking big now about how you won't vote for McCain if he is nominated, you won't vote for any republican, you will vote for a third party... bla bla bla...
When October 2008 comes along all this internet bad boy talk will diminish, you will start raising concerns about what would happen if Hillary was elected, and by November, you will all be towing the party line like good Republicans. You will say this election is just too important to vote third party, McCain is better than Hillary, and so forth.
Then on election day you will vote for him.
However I fully agree with this observation:
I made that point in 2000, but no one would listen.
When October 2008 comes along all this internet bad boy talk will diminish, you will start raising concerns about what would happen if Hillary was elected, and by November, you will all be towing the party line like good Republicans. You will say this election is just too important to vote third party, McCain is better than Hillary, and so forth.
Then on election day you will vote for him.
However I fully agree with this observation:
I made that point in 2000, but no one would listen.
Standing Wolf
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Nothing McCain could say or do could induce me even to consider voting for him. He's a sixteenth of an inch to the right of the Hero of Chappaquiddick.
Ala Dan
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Looks like the 'publicans will have to load the ticket with the likes of
Dr. Rice, or Senator McCain, or former Army General Colin Powell to
have an even chance against Hillary Rhode'em Clinton.
Dr. Rice, or Senator McCain, or former Army General Colin Powell to
have an even chance against Hillary Rhode'em Clinton.
i voted Constitution Party last time, even though kerry was a whisker from winning and every vote counted (at least once)
this time, I would not vote for mccain, no way, no how. Much as I detest hillary, I would prefer the gridlock of the 90s where we had republican house and democratic president to another 4 yrs of republican sweep where they spend out of control, yet haven't reformed anything. I can't think of a single thing they've accomplished.
I SUPPOSE you could argue that not having any waco or ruby ridges in the past 5 years is an accomplishment, but that's not exactly what i had in mind...
running condi would be interesting. she'd lose, but I think strategically, it would be the end of the democratic party because of the damage they would do to themselves trying to defeat a black woman.
edit: btw, senators like mccain don't exactly have a stellar track record. they're losers when it comes to the whitehouse
this time, I would not vote for mccain, no way, no how. Much as I detest hillary, I would prefer the gridlock of the 90s where we had republican house and democratic president to another 4 yrs of republican sweep where they spend out of control, yet haven't reformed anything. I can't think of a single thing they've accomplished.
I SUPPOSE you could argue that not having any waco or ruby ridges in the past 5 years is an accomplishment, but that's not exactly what i had in mind...
running condi would be interesting. she'd lose, but I think strategically, it would be the end of the democratic party because of the damage they would do to themselves trying to defeat a black woman.
edit: btw, senators like mccain don't exactly have a stellar track record. they're losers when it comes to the whitehouse
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