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MD to try banning "assault" guns not needed for Deer hunting!

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"I fired M16s in the Army reserves, and nobody needs them," he said. "These weapons are designed to kill people, not a deer."
I have to scream when I hear BS like that!!!
http://washingtontimes.com/metro/20031130-111244-2205r.htm
Fate of military arms part of larger gun issues


By Tom Stuckey
ASSOCIATED PRESS



ANNAPOLIS — With a federal prohibition on sale of military-style semiautomatic rifles set to expire next year, gun control advocates in the Maryland legislature plan to push for a state ban during the legislative session that begins in January.
"I doubt very much that Congress will reauthorize the federal ban," said Delegate Neil Quinter, Howard County Democrat.
He and state Sen. Rob Garagiola, Montgomery County Democrat, plan to introduce companion bills in the House and Senate to ban weapons they say serve no legitimate purpose.
"They are especially deadly and are designed for inflicting lethal harm on a large number of people at once," Mr. Quinter said.
Opponents and supporters of gun control are considering introducing other bills that would expand or restrict the rights of gun owners, but bills dealing with semiautomatic rifles and shotguns are expected to be at the center of the battle over guns during the 2004 General Assembly session.
A state police report questioning the usefulness of Maryland's ballistic fingerprinting law for handguns may forestall an attempt to expand that law to include long guns. State Sen. Jennie Forehand, Montgomery County Democrat, said she is considering such a bill.
Supporters of gun rights would like to repeal the ballistic fingerprinting law and pass a "right to carry" bill that would allow Marylanders to carry concealed weapons without a permit. But given the legislative bent toward gun control, there may be no effort to increase gun rights.
"I think we are realists. We know what can get passed and what can't," said Senate Minority Leader J. Lowell Stoltzfus, Somerset County Republican.
Delegate Carmen Amedori, Carroll County Republican, said she is considering introducing "right to carry" legislation to repeal the law requiring a state police permit to carry a weapon.
But Mrs. Amedori said that "the biggest thing on the radar screen is the assault weapons ban. We want to make sure that doesn't reach the governor's desk."
Even if Democratic supporters get the assault weapons bill through the legislature, it might be a candidate for a gubernatorial veto, aides to Gov. Robert L. Ehrlich Jr. say.
"He believes that a so-called assault weapons ban is a folly. Assault weapons are not used in crimes in Maryland," said Paul Schurick, Mr. Ehrlich's communications director.
"The governor has made it clear to the few legislators that have raised this issue that he will not support any legislation to ban the weapons," Mr. Schurick said.
Maryland bans the sale of some semiautomatic pistols, but the state has relied on the federal law to ban sale of long guns such as the AK47 and Uzi.
Mr. Garagiola said his bill would be aimed at weapons that are the equivalent of the M16 rifle carried by members of the military.
"I fired M16s in the Army reserves, and nobody needs them," he said. "These weapons are designed to kill people, not a deer."
"Nobody's going to talk about taking away hunting rifles. We're not trying to infringe on the Second Amendment," Mr. Garagiola said.
The federal law was passed in 1994, and will expire Sept. 13 unless Congress votes to extend it.
President Bush has voiced support for extending the ban, but he is not expected to lobby aggressively for it, and Mr. Quinter predicted Republican congressional leaders will not allow passage of a bill to continue the ban.
Opponents of a ban on private ownership of semiautomatic weapons argue they are not the kind of guns used by criminals and the ban does not reduce crime.
"That's just wrong," Mr. Quinter said.
A report by the Justice Department found that the murder rate dropped nationally when the federal law went into effect and that the biggest drop came in states that did not already have a state law banning sale of assault weapons, he said.
State Sen. Brian E. Frosh, Montgomery County Democrat and chairman of the Senate committee that handles gun bills, said he supports the Garagiola-Quinter bills, but doesn't know if they can pass the legislature and become law.
"It's an uphill climb. I'll put it that way," he said.
Maryland gun owners had hoped that Mr. Ehrlich, who opposed most federal gun laws, would move quickly to repeal state laws, which are among the strongest in the country. He said during the 2002 campaign that he would look at existing state gun laws to see if they have been effective in fighting crime and would try to repeal laws that don't work.
Jim Purtillo, a gun rights activist and publisher of a pro-gun newsletter, Tripwire, said he is disappointed "that a more aggressive and objective investigation has not been done as candidate Ehrlich promised."
He said the governor should support efforts to get rid of the ballistic fingerprinting law passed in 2000 that established a database of unique marking on cartridge cases from guns sold in Maryland.
"Why are we fully funding a social experiment like this when we should be talking about school textbooks or road construction?" Mr. Purtillo asked.
A report from state police released in September said the program has produced only four "hits" so far, in each case matching a gun to one stolen in a robbery of a gun store.
State police said the program should be continued because it would take three to six years to collect enough records to make the database an effective tool to fight crime. But it recommended that the law not be expanded, as Mrs. Forehand has suggested, to include long guns until there is more of a track record on whether the database will be a useful tool to help solve crimes.
 
"I fired M16s in the Army reserves, and nobody needs them," he said. "These weapons are designed to kill people, not a deer."
"Nobody's going to talk about taking away hunting rifles. We're not trying to infringe on the Second Amendment," Mr. Garagiola said.
:cuss: :barf:
 
Liars!!!

104 James Senate Office Bldg
Annapolis, MD 21401

- Phone: (301) 858-3169

how is a semi auto equal to a m16?
he knows better,he was in the Reserves.
but he is a liar and unconcerned with our rights:fire:
 
According to the regulations of the MD. Dept. Of Natural Resources, in order to hunt large game like deer in MD., is sufficient muzzle energy. IIRC, minimum ia 1200 pounds of muzzle energy. That means many of the so-called "assualt weapons" can be used for hunting as long as the firearm is loaded with eight rounds or less.
 
In Oklahoma the magazine capacity is limited to seven rounds and a minimum of 55 grain projectile is required. I only needed one shot to drop a medium sized doe last week.
 
Please take pictures of teenagers with big grins, an "assault rifle" and a cleanly potted deer.

i will distribute them in Annapolis
 
This sorta garbage just as ever makes me wanna - wholeheartedly ......

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Where ARE these sorta people coming from ....... sheesh!
 
"These weapons are designed to kill people, not a deer."

He's all scared because he knows that he (government) is the type of people such weapons in the hands of citizens are intended to kill when they try to usurp power like this.
 
"They are especially deadly and are designed for inflicting lethal harm on a large number of people at once,"

:rolleyes: Not true, but if it was, that'd be why I need one. Why do people want to legislate ineffective weapons?

"Nobody's going to talk about taking away hunting rifles. We're not trying to infringe on the Second Amendment,"

I'm going to go claw my eyes out now


*weeps*
 
Lemme get this straight: it's Okeedokee to own a powerful "deer hunting"
rifle...but, "....an AR-15 is more 'dangerous'....and "is meant to kill PEOPLE"...." So, a "deer hunting" rifle is not "dangerous" and will not..."kill people"? Jumpin' Geez! Is it just me or is there a Black Hole sucking all the logic out of these people?!:banghead:
 
Don't try to find logic in the arguments of Maryland legislators. Mr. Gargiola represents Montgomery County, I believe. This is the same county that brought you Chief Moose as well as a county-wide smoking ban for public places. It is also the same county that limits the amount of money that parents can donate to their kids' schools so that the kids in the "rich schools" don't end up with more than the kids in the "poor schools":banghead:
 
don't forget that according to the federal assault weapons ban a 10/22 with a flash hider, a handguard on the barrel, and a pistol grip stock is an assault weapon:rolleyes:
 
Where ARE these sorta people coming from ....... sheesh

In Maryland, they come from; the very wealthy Democrat enclaves of Potomac, Bethesda, and Chevy Chase; the Liberal Jewish and Catholic neighborhoods in Silver Spring, Wheaton, and Rockville; the endless sea of divorced soccar moms in Gathersburg-Germantown; the endless sea of Black refugees from D.C. who have moved out to the ever less safe Prince Georges County; and the Catholic Irish and Polish Americans and Blacks in Baltimore County.

A lot of these folks have little if any exposure to firearms. The vast majority of women in Maryland have none and would happily live under a Nazi or Soviet type of system if it meant they could walk across a mall parking lot without having to do thier constant perimiter check-fast walk while clutching their mace sprayer key chain. They vote for it every time.

What support for RKBA there is in Maryland comes from the military folks and the long term White natives around Frederick, Laurel, Bowie, Western Maryland, and the Eastern Shore, and the occasional enlightened gun owner found elsewhere.

If the trends in Maryland are going to be reversed it has to start with suburban women IMO. Most are extremely anti and fearfull of firearms. I don't know how it's possible to reach women like them who are solidly convinced they would shoot themselves in the leg the instant they touched a firearm, or that thier kids would immediately shoot each other with any firearm that they find.

That's probably more than you wanted to know about Md. :D
 
HO-HO!! NOW I KNOW!!

Thanx, Cool Hand Luke!

Now I know why my ex-wife and my replacement moved to MD!!

But, I live in NY. Embarrassing. The state wide smoking ban has wrecked two bar/restaurants and one diner that I frequented already. These stalinist bass terds need to be 2A'ed. And then there's Hitlary. :barf:

At the risk of boring y'all, the 2A was not installed to allow target shooting and deer hunting. It was not even installed to enable you to protect your home and family. It was installed as a not-too-subtle reminder to today's politicians where their power comes from and where it will go if they keep on this stalinistic course.

raninrantinraven
 
some dont count

I've lived in alot of places, and Montgomery Cty maryland is by far the most annoying.

Disclaimer: The following does NOT apply to Chaim, nor any other Maryland THRers; nor any of my friends who happen not to read this forum.

OK, bottom line is: people here are PU$$!ES
(I know I risk deletion, but there really is no other word to describe them and accurately convey both the description, and my disgust).
Its not just guns.
These wimps wont and DON'T stand for anything resembling or requiring courage, morals, hard decision making, self determination, self reliance, self defense, or equality for white/male/christians. Hell, most wont even vote to be able to legally protect their children!

There I said it.

Again, this is a generalization.

The attitude is as stated above so pervasive that it will have to be a grassroots effort to reverse the trend toward total subservience to a police state. But I am not optomistic: people here LIKE IT THIS WAY!!!! Unbelievable.

So the advice to stay, fight the good fight, etc. and the admonishment that runnign only leaves the anti's in the majority. I believe these statements are true. But for the PRMaryland; I admit that the only viable option is to MOVE. Our efforts are better rewarded elsewhere.

Some seed just falls on barren soil...

C-
 
I work in Maryland. I live in Delaware. Every once in a while I get an urge to move into Maryland to cut my commute in half (current an hour and half round trip). Then I stop and think. And I thank the good Lord that I live in delaware.
 
Mr. Harry Tuttle, I'm not exactly a teenager but I will try an e-mail you a pic if you like. I think it will be a losing battle for Marylanders simply because of the barely year old crime that is in the media spotlight right now. The type of weapon in question was used in this crime and most will see this legislation as a godsend. Hell, I got a few funny looks myself when people asked "what type of rifle did you use?" I had to explain that it doesn't matter what type, only that it was effective and within the lawful use of ODWC rules.
 
one might think Ole Rob would know what end of the tube the round comes out of:
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Rob receiving his Jump Wings after completing his 5th jump - a night jump - at Ft. Bragg, NC in Feb. 2000, after breaking his leg 6 months earlier at Ft. Benning, GA.
* United States Army Reservist (1995-2001)

- Sergeant, Parachutist
- Served 5 years in a Special Operations Airborne Unit
- Served 1 year in a Military Judge Unit
- Received numerous awards, including:
"Distinguished Honor Graduate" at Primary Leadership Development Course (1998)
Army Commendation Medal (for organizing and operating unit security program)
Army Achievement Medals (for various achievements concerning unit legal operations)


http://www.robgaragiola.com/about.html


I think he has some dues to pay Sarah Brady for his election...

i wonder what his Airborne Alumni think of his stance
 
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