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Men PTP/S 9x19 : What is this stuff?

Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by Snowdog, Jan 4, 2013.

  1. Snowdog

    Snowdog Well-Known Member

    I'm a sucker for gimmicks and threw in a couple boxes of this stuff in my last order from SOG. At $15/50, I didn't really want to buy much as I already have a decent supply of 9mm ball and usually reload for it.

    However, I am curious about these rounds and really cannot find jack about it using various search engines. I'm most curious if it's a type of ball ammunition, frangible or some other design.

    Here is the description that accompanies the photo on SOGs website

    Image from www.southernohiogun.com

    If no one here knows, I'll post a quick review after I receive my 2 boxes as to what the heck it is.

    Thanks in advance!
  2. 481

    481 Well-Known Member

    It is an all copper alloy round-nose bullet that has a large enclosed cavity that brings the bullet's weight down to 91 grains. According to the Schwartz bullet penetration model, at 1378 fps, it should penetrate to a depth of 22.9 inches.


    Cut-away of the 9x19 91 gr. MEN Geschoss

  3. md2lgyk

    md2lgyk Well-Known Member

    22.9 inches of penetration?? Just what I need. NOT.
  4. 481

    481 Well-Known Member

    Well, they did say it offers "high penetration". :D
  5. Snowdog

    Snowdog Well-Known Member

    481, thank you for that! I simply could not find that info.
  6. PabloJ

    PabloJ Well-Known Member

    I would gladly buy 1000 rounds if I had something to shoot it with.
  7. Skribs

    Skribs Well-Known Member

    Edit: nevermind
  8. 481

    481 Well-Known Member

  9. beatledog7

    beatledog7 Well-Known Member

    22.9" means it goes through two people and into the third. No thanks.
  10. PabloJ

    PabloJ Well-Known Member

    Most Americans are big and fat so over-penetration should not be a problem. I think you're passing on very good product at very favorable price.
  11. meanmrmustard

    meanmrmustard Well-Known Member

    I bet with it being that light, it yaws and dumps energy and penetration capability inside on body cavity. Plus, we are fat people.
  12. Snowdog

    Snowdog Well-Known Member

    Well, there goes my informal testing....

    A week after placing the order, I received an email that essentially all the ammo I purchased on line from them wasn't actually in stock when I palced the order and that now they are no longer accepting orders as they are out of stock on ALL their ammunition ( their words, not mine).

    I should have purchased this ammo back when I bought my AR magazines and 5.56 ammunition a week before Sandy Hook.

    481, thanks again for that info. Your Googlefoo is vastly superior to mine apparently. M
  13. 481

    481 Well-Known Member

    Sorry to hear that, I was looking forward to hearing your impression of it.

    Nah, just vastly more bored than you are. :p
  14. Robbins290

    Robbins290 Well-Known Member

    Mite be good for a woods gun in 9mm. In case of a black bear. I wouldn't protect the house with it
  15. Sam Cade

    Sam Cade Member

    It wouldn't take much to knock up a fixture and mill off the tip of the bullet. That might be interesting.
  16. Ha! Now I know what this stuff is! Found a bunch of brass headstamped as above at the range, and almost mixed it in with the "good" stuff. This new stuff is berdan primed, so not reloadable at my house. Just posting so you are all aware.

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