Merwin Hulbert & Co.

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I ended up on their email list and got a note a few days ago showing some castings, etc. Still have not seen or heard of a single gun being sold to the public. I declined to send in a deposit to'get into the existing and considerable' line of customers waiting 'immenint delivery'.

Call be overly-cautious, or perhaps smart ;). Dave
 
Smart, if you ask me. I may be a little cynical or overly cautious but it seems to me that since they were planning on shipping last month, we should've seen some working prototypes long before now. Something, anything more than just a few CAD drawings.
 
After all the time that has gone by I have to start wondering that either there is an out and out fraud going on or the project is in serious trouble. Akin to AIG perhaps? Just on a smaller scale. Much smaller.
 
Until we hear from people who have lost deposits I would not use the word fraud.

A company that may simply be under capitalised & looking for a backer or negotiating for distribution or manufacturing facilities could easily be destroyed by false rumours
There are several vapourware gun designs that have been announced & reannounced over the years, no one has cried fraud, although plenty (myself included) have remarked on the lack of ability to deliver a product.

If we hear from depositors who can't get their money back then that is another thing all together.
 
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Checked a couple of other forums. Guys reported as of last fall being on a waiting list for a year and a half. Sent in deposits adjusted orders for more options and received confirmations but no guns. Guys apparently from M&H logged onto forums and started giving excuses along the lines of building the guns in streamline production like Toyotas not mass produced like GMs.

C. Sharps and other companies have extensive waiting lists but people have actually received guns! In all honesty if you already have the gun nd aren't doing extensive redesign (like the Colt Lightning pump replicas) then it shouldn't take that long, not with the computerized equipment today that can laser every internal and external measurement, run it through a CAD program and send it to a casting or milling machine for at least parts rough outs.
 
I didn't bite on the 'send us your deposit and get ahead of others' nonsense when they tried it on me. Is it a scam? Don't know. Would I put down a penny until I saw real guns in real production? Not me. Dave
 
Looks neat... but the originals can be had on GB, in NRA VG+ condition for very little money. a Nearly MINT example can often be found for less than $300... so I don't see how they are going to make these new examples worth the funds.

Maybe the the SASS shooters will want them? OH WAIT, they shun anything that doesn't conform to their ridiculous, fantasy, spaghetti western view of the old west... so I doubt it. Only colts and colt clones need apply.
 
The small frame, small bores go under a thousand. The large frame models, especially in good condition, bring a lot more and are much harder to find.

My issue here is with a company that has made a LOT of claims, is pushing folks very hard to send in money, and has nothing solid to show people. As I said, I can't say anything other than I will not send them a dime at this point. If anyone else wants to, it is a free world and a fool and his money . . . . Dave
 
By the way, when you go to the website, do you get an address for this company? Do you get a phone number? Are there pictures available of their facility? Of an actual bricks and mortar anything or place? Draw your own conclusions from that, and a forum long on promises and 'wants' but how many customers showing pictures of guns they have received?????? Dave
 
mr.trooper said:
Looks neat... but the originals can be had on GB, in NRA VG+ condition for very little money. a Nearly MINT example can often be found for less than $300... so I don't see how they are going to make these new examples worth the funds.

Maybe the the SASS shooters will want them? OH WAIT, they shun anything that doesn't conform to their ridiculous, fantasy, spaghetti western view of the old west... so I doubt it. Only colts and colt clones need apply.
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Really, I shoot a copy of a S&W No 3 in .44 Russian, a copy of a Remington 1875 in 44-40, a copy of a Remington 1890 in .45 long colt, 2 1872 Colt "open tops" in .38 S&W, 2Ruger "Bisleys" in .45 Colt, and a Nagant in 7.62mm. All are main match legal revolvers. For NCOWS I can't use the Rugers or Nagant, but can use my Colt New Service in 44-40, and my Webley MKV in .455 Webley. BTW, I'll take all the VG+ M&H's you can find for $300 and pay you a $50 finders fee for each one.
 
cane quote; BTW, I'll take all the VG+ M&H's you can find for $300 and pay you a $50 finders fee for each one.
+1 to that.
If that was the case, I paid way too much for an original nickled 3rd model 44 WCF Merwin, Hulbert w/7" barrel, scull crusher, mother of pearl grips. Like over $2500 for it, had it been stored better ( surface pitting ) it would be worth considerably more, as it has a mint barrel w/cylinder chambers to match. It also locks up like a vault, w/no play what so ever. I would love to find another like it for $300 bucks. LM
 
Merwin is one of the the only old west style large frame I don't have an example of, so I'm definitely watching this product, but I'm with you guys. I'll wait until I see something finished.

Also whoever said Merwin's are cheap, you're probably thinking of their small frame guns, which were really Hopkins and Allen produced (and even then 300 for a mint example is a bit optimistic). Their large frame guns are some of the finest of the old west and they are valued accordingly. A mint example is going to run many thousands of dollars.
 
Merwin Hulbert questionable

did some more checking.

Company buys old names all under the Sharps Rifle Company st. Louis, MO. Also use HH Heiser, Merwin Hulbert, A-Square and Henry (not the one in New York). Main owner is a Wall Street type, other guy is a financial type that used to work in economics for the state of Montana. Claims to have operations in several states.

Guys keep claiming they will be operational shortly. Last claim was shipping guns fall of 2010. Said they had trouble making barrels.

Called the City of Glenrock Wyoming where A-square is located and where the MHs are supposed to be made. Talked to a lady from the city who stated she is sure Merwin Hulbert will START operations.

Notice that according to her they have not even started operations yet though they claim guns have been produced or will be produced and shipped shortly.

According to one source Glenrock a town of less than 400 people has $900,000 invested in this company through grants etc. I just hope hope these guys get their acts together and don't screw over a small town and the people that have sent in deposits and have already been waiting two years or more.
 
All M&H revolvers were made by H&A; M&H was a patent holding company. They are an interesting gun and seem like a great idea - right up until you use one. Rather than solving all the problems of S&Ws and Colts, they actually managed to incorporate all the worst features of both plus some bad ones of their own.

Jim
 
I have a 1965 Gun Digest with a fairly lengthy article on original M&H revolvers. It's fairly positive in tone.

What're their design flaws?
 
Jim K, I don't know of what bad habits you are refering to on Merwin, Hulbert revolvers, but I have actually shot mine with black powder cartridges, and find that they are exceptional revolvers. In fact I do not believe there is another revolver that can dump their spent casings while retaining the unfired cartridges. Another advantage M,H,&Co. revolvers had going was they could be broken down in seconds, into 3 componets for cleaning without use of tools. The first early Colt SAA needed a screwdriver to remove the cylinder, and you still couldn't clean the barrel from the breach end. LM
 
Well, the contemporary Enfield 476 British service revolver would allow you to break it open and -- in theory -- eject the spent cartridges only. In practice, it rarely worked properly and was notorious for jamming up on extraction. The shortest-lived of all British service revolvers and soon replaced by the Mark1 version of the Webley 455. That design lasted from pre Boer war through the end of WW1 in Mark VI version. Dave
 
Just one cynical opinion, but does anyone remember the whole "Bren 10" debacle? This smells distinctly similar, IMO.
 
MH

I have nine large frame and one medium frame. I also have several 1st Gen. Colt SAAs.All of the Colts have had numerous parts replaced. The MH's are all original and complete for the most part.(good thing,since replacement parts are almost impossible to find)In most cases,the markings are almost gone,indicating how much they were used. They are an incredible design and I truly believe they would have outsold the Colts if not for embezlement (?) and the failure of Russia to pay their contract.IMHO
 
A new MH revolver would match a new Bren 10 nicely I think. I wonder if either one will actually be sold.
 
Merwin Hulbert revolvers - the originals - were beautifully and intrically designed - I own four of the large 44 cal frames and one 38 cal frame - 3 of these are engraved. I've never shot mine with black powder (or anything else) but I imagine that the incredibly close tolerences would gum-up pretty quickly? I have never paid less than $1000 for one so throw some of those $300 Merwins my way as well. They really are wonderful firearms and I hope the modern repros get made.

Third model DA Pocket Army with 7-inch barrel 44-40 cal

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First model 38 cal pocket, engraved

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Third model SA with cut barrel engraved 44 cal

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Rare 4th model SA, 5 1/2-inch barrel, ivory grips, engraved 44 cal

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John
 
Levallois, Nice collection! Mine would be an exact copy of your third model pocket army, except mine is a single action and has mother of pearl grips, which as far as I can tell they are original to the gun. The one I would really like to find someday is a Nickled SA 7" barreled open-top with scooped fluted cylinder. A plus would be if it had all 3 barrel lenghts too. Then again I would have to make a lot more money. BTW here's a web site which usually has several Merwins FS.
http://www.ocyoung.com/Merwin.htm
 
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