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Messing with wildlife

Discussion in 'Hunting' started by winwun, May 30, 2003.

  1. winwun

    winwun Well-Known Member

    We throw out table scraps, often supplemented with whatever is the current bargain brand of dog food and enjoy watching the show from our den at night with the lights out.

    Last year we "raised" a family of red foxes (4 kits), and this year, one of last year's reds is coming back and running off the family of greys (3 kits) that have moved in somewhere close.

    What a difference in the reds and greys.

    The reds are super wary, sly, clever and aggressive, whereas the greys can best be described as pretty stupid. Sort of like the difference in Conservatives and Liberals.

    After only 2 weeks of trying, the greys will let me stand within 50 feet of them and talk to them while they eat. The reds will dissapear for 10 minutes if they see you, even if there are chicken scraps in the dish.

    Wonder how long it would take me to get the grey eating out of my hand ?

    What are fox pelts bringing, nowadays ?
  2. mete

    mete Well-Known Member

    The big difference between reds and greys is that the greys are excellent climbers so that birds are an important part of their diet. And the birds know it , I watched a grey walk across my property and all the birds in the area and all the birds in the area started making sounds of panic.
  3. Art Eatman

    Art Eatman Administrator Staff Member

    Don't ask why, but I've never had a chance to see both red foxes and gray foxes and observe the difference. So: Which kind of fox is this one? (Taken through my front window, in far southwest Texas.)


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  4. Greybeard

    Greybeard Well-Known Member

    Grey here thinks that one's a gray - and a very healthy one!

    That's what we seem to have the most of here in North Texas - or maybe it could be, as said above, that the reds are just smarter and we don't see them as much ...

    Had a buddy who was varmint calling here a few years back and managed to get a red in close enough to drop him with a bow. That, and a red seen in headlights a few years back are all I know of in these parts ...

    ' Caught 2 little gray ones at the same time in coon trap a couple of years back. Showed 'em around to kids for a few hours and turned 'em loose. Caught the Mama in same trap a day or two later and released ...

    Edited to add: grey: http://www.nsrl.ttu.edu/tmot1/uroccine.htm

    http://www.nsrl.ttu.edu/tmot1/vulpvulp.htm indicates the reds may not have made it quite to your parts - yet. ;)
  5. Steve Smith

    Steve Smith Moderator Emeritus

    Hell, that's almost a coyote, Art!

    Its a grey.
  6. cratz2

    cratz2 Well-Known Member

    That's what I was thinking... they grow everything bigger in Texas... Except deer. :p

    I've never seen a fox anywhere near that big here in Indiana. I've only hunted them once (then decided they were too cute) but have seen several foxes on a number of occasions while out sniping 'coons in/around my father-in-law's orchard.
  7. Art Eatman

    Art Eatman Administrator Staff Member

    When I get to the Terlingua computer, I'll post a picture of a real coyote, from nearly the same front-yard location. :)

    Critters are funny people. I have a year-round clock feeder, and it sprays out hen-scratch for the dove and quail. The doggoned fox will meddle around under the feeder, licking up the cracked corn. Then, later that night, he'll come onto my porch and leave evidence that foxes don't digest corn.

    El Cheapo dry dog food is quite an attractant, however...

  8. redneck

    redneck Well-Known Member

    Thats definitely a gray fox like everybody said. We had quite a few red fox hanging around here last year (unfortunately they all seemed very sick, shot one, tried for another) If you see a red fox, there won't be any doubt about the difference between red an gray. Least up here, the red ones are pretty light....about like a sorrel/chestnut horse.
    That fox looks about the same size as the ones I've seen around here. Its really all fur, the one I shot was probably 20lbs and that was in really bad shape. Healthy he probably would have been 25 easily if not more.
    Its funny, you see one in the pasture and it looks big. Then it trots over and steps through a woven wire fence :)
  9. winwun

    winwun Well-Known Member

    Looks like a Grey from here, Art. Also looks like he is in full winter coat, also.

    They skinny down a lot in the summer.
  10. Steve Smith

    Steve Smith Moderator Emeritus

    I don't need to see another coyote, Art.

    Got plenty here...unless yours are wolf sized!
  11. kentucky bucky

    kentucky bucky Well-Known Member

    winwun question

    Is it possible that the grey foxes are training you to feed them and the red foxes are too dumb to make the correlation? There seems to be alot more greys in Eastern Kentucky, so they must know something!! :D
  12. makdaddy03

    makdaddy03 member

    Looks like a coyote to me. But then again it looks like a large fox.:confused:
  13. S_O_Laban

    S_O_Laban Well-Known Member

    I just noticed this last week what appears to be a whole family of red fox that live in a very small culvert under the driveway of one of my neigbors about a block down from where I live. I have seen red fox on numerous occasions here in west central MO but never right in town like this. I don't know much about red fox but I assume there nocturnal as the only time I see this family of fox is after daylight in my headlights? This group does not seem much larger than a big house cat but wow what great looking tails.
  14. Delmar

    Delmar Well-Known Member

    I had to shoot a grey fox a few years back-I had downed a good sized doe late in the day and my buddy and I drove as close as we could get before we had to get out and start walking as the dark settled in. My buddies flashlight picked up two glowing eyeballs in the darkness and like that grey fox Art posted the picture, I thought it was a coyote at first. He was licking at the bullet wound on my doe and I tried tossing a rock at him but he wouldn't budge. I drew my 45 and fired a shot close over his head and he bared his teeth at us, so I center punched his head with the next shot. He was one healthy fox!

    BTW, we do have big deer in Tejas-you have to go up to the panhandle where the mulies and hybrid white tail/mules live-they will certainly take up space in the pickup bed:D I hunt in the hill country where the deer are smaller, but you can take 5 in rifle season now if you need that much meat:neener:
  15. winwun

    winwun Well-Known Member

    You mentioned the cross-breeding deer: How long will it take for there to be a new specie, or as in the case of a mule, are the offspring sterile?

    Do the half-breeds cause any problems with game laws?
  16. Delmar

    Delmar Well-Known Member

    I don't know all that much about the cross bred white/mulies, but have seen some of them at the butcher shop where I have mine processed-looks like the biggest problem is getting them in the truck!
  17. Art Eatman

    Art Eatman Administrator Staff Member

    As I understand it, the Texas Parks & Wildlife Department folks give you the benefit of the doubt, when dealing with "mule-tails". The whitetail season is much longer than for mule deer, beginning earlier and lasting later.

    So, if you shoot a muletail by mistake, they let it be logged as a whitetail.

    Some ranchers shoot the hybrids whenever they see them, regardless of the time of year.

    The hybridization comes about because the whitetail is far more aggressive in breeding than are the mule deer...

    :), Art
  18. Keith

    Keith Well-Known Member

    I don't have a link to provide, but I read a few years ago that after DNA testing, biologists had finally concluded that Blacktails and Whitetails were distinct species, and that Mule deer were actually a hybrid of the two.

    Before DNA testing, many had theorized that Blacktails were a hybrid of Muleys and Whitetails.

    Don't suppose it matters to the average hunter.
  19. Art Eatman

    Art Eatman Administrator Staff Member

    Well, Keith, alleviate my iggerance: SFAIK, the "blacktail" is a deer of the Pacific Northwest.

    So, when were there pure blacktails in Texas?

  20. cratz2

    cratz2 Well-Known Member

    I wasn't meaning to knock the size of deer in Texas. Only places I ever hunted was east of Huntsville and south of Odessa. Don't recall seeing anything even in the 'medium' category... :p

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