(MI) Laingsburg cops test TASERs on high schoolers

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Lansing State Journal

May 21, 2003 Wednesday

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HEADLINE: Laingsburg cops test TASERs on high schoolers

BYLINE: McCurtis James Jr

BODY:
Students asked to participate in training drill

By James McCurtis Jr.

Lansing State Journal

LAINGSBURG - The police department will no longer let citizens participate in training procedures, a change that comes after officers used TASERs on five high school volunteers in an exercise last month.

The department made the change after parents and high school officials complained that officers used TASERs, which work similar to stun guns, on members of the Laingsburg High School track team. None of the students was injured.

"I thought it showed poor judgment," said Dr. Monica Johnson , an emergency room physician at Clinton Memorial Hospital in St. Johns.

Her daughter Julie , 18, volunteered in the exercise.

"They didn't ask if they had any heart problem. It's got the potential to be dangerous for people who have electrical conduction problems with their heart."

A TASER is a device shaped like a gun that shoots out probes that send a small electrical current throughout the body and makes a person immobile for five seconds, said Steve Tuttle , director of government affairs for TASER International Inc. based in Scottsdale, Ariz.

Tuttle said the device is safe and that it just buys time for officers to arrest an aggressive person or it helps someone escape an attacker.

Last month, seven officers, including Police Chief Lon Cripps , used a high school classroom to train officers on how to use TASERs.

High school classes were not in session because it was Good Friday, but the track team had practice at school that morning, track coach Chris Lantis said.

The students saw the officers using the Advanced TASER M26 on one another and asked if they could participate, Cripps said.

Officers asked the students if they were 18 or older and they all said yes, Cripps said.

"We were hoping that would avoid any major problems," he said.

Officers, using a special training feature for the TASER, attached cables to the students' clothing with alligator clamps. Officers shocked two students at a time.

Lantis was down the hall preparing for practice during the training but later walked into the classroom just as one of the officers pulled the trigger.

"When I saw a student go down, the second that happened, I said, 'All kids out of here. Let's go to practice,' " Lantis said.

Days after the incident, Principal Mike Foster met with Cripps and other city officials to discuss the matter, Laingsburg Community Schools Superintendent Hal Beatty said .

"We wouldn't have this happen without parent approval," Beatty said. "I think if they (the police) had thought that through, they wouldn't do it again this way."

No one from the police department was punished, but Cripps said he and his department learned a valuable lesson.

In the past, the department used adult citizens to conduct CPR and defibrillator training. Now they only will use department staffers.

"The only people who will be involved in any kind of training from now on will be department members only, and that's just to make sure there's no more misunderstanding," Cripps said.

Contact James McCurtis Jr. at 377-1046 or [email protected].

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Advanced TASER M26

* The TASER M26 hit the market in 1999. A TASER, Thomas A. Swift's Electric Rifle, shoots an electrical current through a person's body and makes the subject immobile for five seconds.

* TASERs shoot out two probes that send out an electric pulse, stimulating the nervous system and overriding the central nervous system.

* The TASER sends an electrical shock of 1.76 joules per pulse through the body. To compare, a defibrillator sends a current of 200 joules per pulse through the body to jump start a person's heart.

* In Michigan, 29 law enforcement agencies, including Lansing and Laingsburg police, are either using or testing the TASER. More than 2,400 law enforcement U.S. agencies use the Advanced TASER M26.

* All states except New Jersey and Massachusetts can use TASERs.
 
I loved watching people volunteer at the TASER Booth at SHOT. Lots of manly men screaming like girls :D
 
Most people have licked a 9-volt, whether they admit it or not. It's nothing like what they're talking about here!
 
Laingsburg is a pretty small town. I am going to go out on a limb here and guess that they don't recruit from the top of the police academy classes.

I especially liked the line where the officiers asked if they were 18. How come they never believed me when I said I was 21?!?
 
Field test can be discretely done on aggressive drunks. One officer pulls the baton and the nice guy zaps the drunk instead, thereby avoiding use of the baton.
 
Man, Cops get all the cool stuff! We can't even own a stun gun here in MI. If I could, I would CCW a Taser pistol in addition to my handgun.
 
Doesn't anyone see anything wrong with the police testing their equipment on high school kids? Testing their equipment on citizens period?

Hey, I've got an idea. How about we let cops test their batons on grade schoolers? Or better yet, their pepper spray (or mace) on kindergartners? I bet a stun grenade tossed into a room full of day care kids would get a real chuckle.

Personally, I'd have filed suit against every one of those cops individually and the police department collectively and have done my best to get every single one of them fired. Idiots like that should not be allowed to carry a badge.
 
"Personally, I'd have filed suit against every one of those cops individually and the police department collectively and have done my best to get every single one of them fired. Idiots like that should not be allowed to carry a badge."

Dont you think High School kids are old enough to make decisions on there own?? Unless they were decieved into it, but it doenst sound like thats the case.

I'm in 11th grade and I might of volunteered for something like that if it was offered.
 
Must not be much goin' on in Laingsburg.

Since they have so much spare time to burn, maybe they can do some product development work and figure a way for a taser to penetrate, oh say, a feather vest, leather coat, denim jacket, or a heavy overcoat.

Did the article say if the team members were wearing anything heavier than a tee shirt?
 
NapAttack: They were adults. 18 years old. They volunteered to do the testing. The amperage is miniscule (the M24 is a bit higher than a nine volt battery, but still super light), and NOT dangerous to heart rhythms. The biggest danger with using a taser is making sure that the fall zone is padded, because you could hit your head.

What ever happened to allowing people to take responsibility for themselves? :confused:

As for small towns having tasers, I'd say it's a decent investment. Consider the $700 cost per unit vs. the potential for lawsuits and worker's comp claims from other use of force techniques. (Less Lethal ammo, Batons, pepper spray, empty hand [i.e. "fighting"]) By all reports, when properly used, the tasers are extremely effective, with no after-effects.

Why would an 18 year old want to volunteer to do it? I've no clue, other than that kids are strange in what they're willing to try. Heh, I probably would have volunteered at that age, too. ;)
 
Dont you think High School kids are old enough to make decisions on there own?? Unless they were decieved into it, but it doenst sound like thats the case.

JeffD, not flaming you, but my answer would be no! Every high school kid I've met always thought they were smarter than any adult around. I also remember how stupid my parents were when I was a teenager and how smart they got all of a sudden when I got into my mid twenties. I've asked more than one teenager, if they are so smart why aren't teenagers running the world? Why are teenagers the highest risk for auto insurance? Why is the minimum age for president 39?

I went into the AF at age 17 and I distinctly remember most of the dumb, verging on stupid, stunts me and my friends pulled. 18 is not a magic age where a child suddenly gains maturity and experience.

As far as tasers being harmless, very little more than a 9volt battery. Sorry, don't buy it. I bought a taser and tried it on myself. Blasted thing hurt! But it has to. If it's not strong enough to disable an attacker then it is worthless.

Taking responsibility for themselves. Yes, of course. However, until my children leave home they are my responsibility. Not the police, not anyone else, me. I give my children as much responsibility as I believe they are capable of handling. It is my judgement as their parent what responsibilities they are capable of making, not anyone else's.

To me it is simply wrong to allow the police to test their equipment, no matter how benign it may seem, on high school children. They may be 18 but until they graduate and leave home they are still children and their parents are still responsible for them.
 
The only problem I have with the way the tests were done is that they asked for volunteers. Why not test them on one of the many punks that run around the schools making trouble? If they can't be identified by sight, I'm sure the administrators can point them out.

"TASER? What TASER? The little punk tripped!" :evil:
 
My kids/grandkids should be no ones test lab.

Or guinea pigs. I don't want schools,police,gov to push stuff on them without my permission.It not any different than letting
gov and schools push liberal socialist ideas, lifestyles, or greenie crap.Ed.
 
We were kinda bored one Friday...

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And we decided that since it was now oficially the weekend, we'd just say"Ahh, Bucket". ;)

I took a 500,000 volt stungun shot. Target Guy is a tough gig.

Later, my opinion changed somewhat:

Arm the Pilots, Stunguns are WORTHLESS!, or, How I spent my Fourth of July.

I suspect the students'll survive. Bet they weren't bamboozled either, just busted by a litigation-shy administrator. Makes sense to me anyhow.

--Like people are going to expect sense from the likes of me in the context of the two referenced threads. Amusement comes in many strange permutations. ;) :D
 
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