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Michigan-HB4490-repeal of gun registration

Discussion in 'Activism' started by 38snapcaps, Apr 7, 2008.

  1. 38snapcaps

    38snapcaps Well-Known Member

    All Michigan gun owners, or those thinking about owning a handgun.

    Please go to NRAILA.org for information on where to write/call committe members that are considering elminating the "safety inspection" requirement for handgun ownership. The hearing for this bill is next Tuesday the 15th.

    The safety inspection isn't one, it's a thinly veiled gun registration so the State can have a record of who has what. We all know from history what a government can and will do with such lists. Ask any German who lived in the 1930's and 1940's, especially if he is Jewish.

    Thanks in advance to everyone that pitches in.
  2. MrAnteater

    MrAnteater Well-Known Member

    The Michigan "Safety Inspection" is just code for "Handgun Registration".

    It's such a joke and I'm glad they are trying to do away with it.
  3. langenc

    langenc Well-Known Member

    This is not "doing away with it" but streamlining it--yuk..

    When a gun (hand) is purchased it needs to be "inspected" by the local police agency. It is just a waste of time-that is the part that is suggested to be eliminated.

    Purchase requires a 3 part form-buyer gets one-seller gets one and the seller sends the third in to State police for registration. No changes suggested here, unfortunately. Then the inspection is required but is now being suggested to be eliminated.

    The first one I took for 'inspection' was a K22. I passed it thru the little window to the officer. Couple minutes go by and pretty soome he is asking "how many shot is it?" The 'inspection form' now has a statement that says something that to the effect 'mechanical function has not been checked'.

    If your in Mi tell your state rep and senator we want the whole thing discarded.
  4. Geno

    Geno Well-Known Member

    During the last "safety inspection" I had, the person entered my Colt 1911A1, Series 80 Commander model as either 15 or 13 rounds. Needless to say, the cards had to be re-printed. :D
  5. Juna

    Juna Well-Known Member

    I've e-mailed everyone on the committee reviewing that bill. It's LONG overdue and blatantly deceitful to suggest that any sort of "safety inspection" is being done. Last time I went, the woman had the computer turned, and the screen openly labeled it as a registration. If some ignorant, new firearm owner bought an unsafe firearm and brought it to one of these government morons trusting that they'd performed a "safety inspection," he/she could be injured or killed.

    It's unsafe. It violates our privacy. It's deceitful. It wastes our tax dollars. No evidence-based study has ever shown that it has reduced violent crime rates. How many more reasons do we need to repeal this horrible procedure?

    PAULREVERE Well-Known Member

    This whole "green card" safety inspection has been a joke for years. Nothing more than covert registration. Plus, I get to make a lovely trip to beautiful downtown Flint every time I buy a handgun because my hometown Police dont do it. Time to go bye bye.
  7. langenc

    langenc Well-Known Member

    The legislation will NOT do away with regisration-only the dumb inspection.

    At the time of purchase a record will still be sent to MSP for the registration.

    This passed one part of the legislature and now heads for the other.
  8. ChopperKen

    ChopperKen Well-Known Member

    The last time I bought a handgun the officer told me that if I got my CCW we wouldnt have to see eachother as often.
    Still have to get the inspection/registration though.
    I did have a lady officer one time tell me the inspection was for my safty. She was told not to dryfire it by me.also that she didnt know enough about guns to safely handle them let alone inspect them...
  9. Geno

    Geno Well-Known Member

    About 30 pistol purchases ago, the lady who "safety-inspected" my pistol looked at me in complete astonishment and retorted, "DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY PISTOLS YOU"VE BOUGHT?!?! (Yes, I know, caps means screaming).

    Trust me, she was on the verge of a breakdown. When I looked at her and said, "No", she retorted the number to me.

    I calmly looked at her and responded, "Is that all?! I thought I had more!"

    She summoned her "supervisor" who looked at her computer monitor and then said to her, "So?" He then looked to me and told me of the latest 3, Colts Series 70s that he had purchased. :D Ya gotta love pro-firearms police! God bless 'em is all I can say.

    We really do need to get rid of "safety" inspecting, and the gun registration in Michigan. One is useless, the other unconstituional. Neither promotes safety. Both promote intrusion.
  10. Old Fuff

    Old Fuff Well-Known Member

    In my experience the local cops keep the "safety certificates" on file even if you sell or trade the gun. So over time you can have a collection that's substantially larger then what you really own. Now that they have computers you can really mess up the database if you're circulating through a lot of guns.

    I expect that Doc will get his front door kicked in any day now... :banghead:

    As a side note: In Arizona, gun registration is prohibited by law. :cool:
  11. Geno

    Geno Well-Known Member

    Probably. Some technocrat will walk in, tell me:

  12. FieroCDSP

    FieroCDSP Well-Known Member

    move to Ohio. No registration, no safety checks, Shall-Issue, and our economy hasn't tanked yet. :D
  13. Geno

    Geno Well-Known Member

    Ohio...there's an idea. Wonder if there is a house for sale across from the CMP North?! :neener:

    What struck me the most odd is that I told her that I actually had no where even close to 30 pistols, in fact, not even half. I had sold all of my Kimbers, etc, and had sold them to FFLs. I even removed my wallet and showed her exactly what I did own (green cards). To which she responded,

    Perhaps she didn't know that in Michigan, the police can view through the State Police records how many pistols one owns.

    The even more interesting point is that not one single other employee has ever expressed an ounce of concern. Most simply do their job, enter the information and on occasion say, "Wow, that's nice!"

    This particular person is also the employee who sits behind the counter slamming the slide home and dry-firing the pistols. Wow, that gets some folks really upset.

    Anyhow, they know fact-firm I own precious few pistols, none of them horridly scary, or horridly expensive. They have bigger fish-to-fry than me.

    Here's the biggest kicker of all. The next time I went in, I was taking my Colt Commander. She look one look at it and exclaimed:

    Then she gave me her business card, wrote down the hours and days that she works, and said,

    Kind of hard to know how to read her. Who knows. Perhaps she is one of those folks that black pistols do scare. Or, maybe she just had a bad day. Or, maybe after seeing how seriously I take my firearms she respected that fact.

    The world may never know.
  14. freakshow10mm

    freakshow10mm member

    I got a SP101 transferred in from a guy down state. There was no officer on duty at my village that day so I had to wait until the next day to register it.

    That night my son saw me slugging the throats and tapping the rod with a hammer. I ran out of the room to get the phone and come back to my son (18mo) going Rodney King on the gun with the hammer! The crane broke.

    The next day I went to the station to register it and they refused, saying it fails the safety inspection and is unsafe to fire. They typed my up a letter basically stating that I attempted to register it and the gun must be repaired before I can get it registered. I have the Pistol Sales Record from the FFL who did the transfer and they put in the letter that it is good enough to prove ownership while it's en route for factory repair (the part is a Factory Install Only part).
  15. Geno

    Geno Well-Known Member

    freakshow10mm said:

    You left the room...with the firearm left out...to answer the phone...while the child had access to the firearm?! :what:

    <<Doc checks to see if it's April 01>>

    Not prudent.
  16. Old Fuff

    Old Fuff Well-Known Member

    My favorite story about safety inspections happened back during the Viet Nam War era when an individual who was lusting over a S&W model 29 .44 Magnum finely got one by paying far more then MSRP. When he came to see me he was ready to explode. Seems that the "inspector" had cocked the hammer and then hit it with a hammer to see if it would stand or fall... :what:

    It fell.. :cuss:

    I gave him a written statement explaining the correct way to check to see if the hammer would stand at full-cock.

    The police department ended up paying for repairs after he threatened a lawsuit. ;)
  17. freakshow10mm

    freakshow10mm member

    Firearm was unloaded, no ammunition was anywhere nearby the gun, which was secured in a vise, and the phone was 4 steps from the bench to the hallway. It does not look like the picture you are trying to paint of me.
  18. Geno

    Geno Well-Known Member

    Not trying to paint any pictures. I can only go from what read. Glad to hear the facts of the details...seriously!

    As you are around here longer, you will see posts that will raise your eyebrows. Many of those people (not you) are what were refer to as "trolls". Trolls come here and make posts that seem, well, imprudent. When I saw new person, low posts and no detail I wasn't sure.

    Again, thank-you for the details.

  19. freakshow10mm

    freakshow10mm member

    I've been around, just not here. Got a referral from a user here. Same username here, Glocktalk (since 2003), Glockpost, Castboolits, TFL, 1911forum, and I go by Tubby45 on Defensive Carry.

    Pretty sure BigSlick, Steve Koski, and Bush Pilot post here too. They can vouch for my character.
  20. Jim K

    Jim K Well-Known Member

    I have been taken to task by a former Michigan police officer for saying this, but I was told that at least at one time, the "safety" of the gun was not nearly as important as the color of the owner. If the registrant was black, the gun was declared "unsafe" and seized. Ain't it nice the way so many "civil rights" people support that kind of thing when guns are involved!


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