Military and Beretta 9

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Here is something I did not know, and forgive me if THR members are in the know on this. My son is in the Navy and his duty arm is the Beretta 9. he tells me they load with round nose ammo????? To the best of THR members knowledge is this true? The pistol contract from previous years ago to supposedly "displace the Beretta M9 for a .45" (I have seen other threads) was disputing 9MM ball ammo vs. 45 ball? Not hollowpoints? Clarification please!!! Some local LEOs I shoot with load Sig 229s and Glosk 19s with Win 127 +P+ and they are confident in it.....I guess I am just looking for some outside looking in clarity on what the military is going for by looking for a new repalcement sidearm??? I know the contract went by the wayside....
 
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Not hollowpoints? Clarification please!!!
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Hague Accords, the US never signed but has agreed to abide by it's terms, specifically no small arms ammunition shall be designed to expand. The Winchester Ranger T 127 +P+ is good stuff, similar to the 9mm NATO in terms of energy, RA9TA fires a 127gr. bullet at 125fps, M882 fires a 124gr. bullet at 1250 fps.

P.S. if you could watch your use of "!!!" and "???", it's not polite.
 
Slight clarification - military cops use hollow points. Seems its ok to shoot our own with HP, but enemies get FMJ.
 
JonP stated that Military police use hollowpoint.
Since when??
I was an Army MP for 11 years and WE always had ball ammo.
Both for the .45 and the M-9.
I got out in 1992.
 
Well, the SFS at Lackland is using 9mm JHP right now. Right before I got my CHL, I asked one of the guys at the gate what he was carrying. He actually showed me.
 
US military loads/M-9 pistols

I served in the US Army/MP from 1989-1993. We used the standard Beretta M-9 9mmNATO pistols with 124gr FMJ(full metal jacket) rounds. NATO and/or the US DoD may have changed the loads used by our armed forces since 1993 but I doubt it. I know Beretta now fields a M-9a1 9mmNATO pistol. It's an M-9 with a few minor improvements. Mainly a 1913 rail on the slide for white lights/laser aimers, ;). See www.Beretta.com or www.BerettaUSA.com for more details.

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The military is not going to a new side arm anytime soon the 45 caliber pistol program has been canceled as of 2006. Though I believe Special Forces will continue with the program.
 
Now the XM8 rifle program has been out right canceled.
Last I heard late 2006 the 45 cal pistol program was on hold or frozen.
There is a good chance they are just trying to slowly kill it.
 
To my knowledge the military uses ball ammunition only in it's sidearms. My wife is a member of the Air Force SF and they only carry ball ammunition. For the individual who was shown expandable ammunition by a member of the SFS I would bet the ammunition as carried without proper authorization. Army CID protection detail personnel are authorized to carry expandable ammunition but I don't know if this extends to Navy, Air Force or Marine protection details.
 
This is an old thread, but I wanted to clarify a few things.

AF cops carry locked and loaded with hollowpoints INCONUS, and ball everywhere else as per the Geneva Convention Agreement.

We are still using the 9mm, but if I had my way about it, we would be carrying .45 Kimbers like the Marines.
 
I hear the .45 verses 9mm arguement every week I am working over at the shop.

I have a simple answer to this age old arguement.

Stand down range and I will shoot you in the right arm with one round 9mm Ball ammo.
Next I will shoot you in the left arm with a .45 230 FMJ round.

Report back on which side hurts the worse and we will declare a winner.

9mm ball has killed an awful lot of people.
It has also wounded an awful lot of people and most are grateful they lived.

The same could be said for .45 FMJ, .30/06 fmj and ditto the 8mm Mauser.

The Beretta is a very decent combat pistol and NATO 9mm ball ammo does get the job done.
 
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