Military and State pistol permits?

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Kansan said:
That being said... I haven't tried to buy a firearm there while I wasn't actively living there, so maybe I would run into problems. I just assumed I probably could if I wanted to. Hmmm. Ok, so I guess worst case, one of the "perks" is that you can enjoy resident status in whatever state you are stationed even though you pay taxes somewhere else. (Would that even be considered a perk or a right? I don't know, it's getting too late. I'm going to sleep).

The situation you speak of is completely left up to the honor of the purchaser. I have a Wyoming Driver's license. I could take that Wyoming Driver's license and buy any firearm from a Wyoming FFL, showing that driver's license. However, for me, it would be lying on the 4473 to say that I am a resident of Wyoming, because I have no intention of making a home there. Why would I intend to make Wyoming a home when my soon-to-be-ex-wife is there?!? :D

Anyway, in that situation, it truly is up to the integrity of the person. The FFL and the BATFE aren't going to care.

Now, you active duty ID card, and properly endorsed permanent orders to a state are valid proofs of residency for an FFL the minute you execute those orders and are all the ID that is required.
 
In georgia, you need a Georgia Firearms License to conceal or open carry a pistol. If you have a military license (currently enlisted in the military) you do not need a GFL to open carry or conceal. Although, you do have to subjectto beackground checks, with a valid GFL you don't have to. I love my state. :)
 
People need to remember one thing and that is the US military is one of the most anti-gun groups in the world.

This is absolutly true. I have much more freedom off base than I do on base. We can not carry on base unless in a security type roll and using an issued weapon. If a military member lives on base and has firearms the red tape and rules governing it are worse than hitler himself could imagine. Sure we can go overseas and carry all manner of weapons but back in the states we are treated like 12 yr old children in reguards to firearms. As far as perks for military service many states wave the need for a ccw class (which I personally do not agree with) as stated above many in the military have desk jobs or such that dont involve weapons at all. Air force, Navy and coastguard weapons training in boot camp is a joke at best.
 
1. Why not tell others about it? If there is something in the law that makes it easier for a person to have the means to defend themselves, and I know about, I would not want to withhold that information from them. By the states' requiring us to pay them for a license to carry a gun, especially in Georgia, where you have to be licensed to carry at all, open or concealed, the state has taken the RIGHT to self defense away from us and turned it into a state privilidge that one must pay for.

2. There is no debate about whether that statute applied to Military only in the line of duty. The state Attorney General has published an opinion that says that the statute is clearly worded that it applies any and all times a member of the US Military is present in Georgia, whether or not actually on duty.

there are 2 reasons that i haven't told people about it, and i think they are very valid reasons.

1) i am not a lawyer, barracks type or any other, and i personally didn't understand the statute. I was told one thing by a guy that took the Utah ccw permit class, the class was taught by a Lawyer from Atlanta, and he said that the statue applies to us no matter on duty or off as you understand it, so basically that was a he said she said thing, and that wasn't good enough for me to pass on to others. and on the other hand, a good friend and my training partner said that it was only if on duty, performing your job. so basically i was getting conflicting intel, and none of it concrete enough, to be able to pass on to others. and i would not want to be the guy to tell my men, and fellow troops wrong intel, especially something that can be a potential weapons crime.

I brought up the "opinion" that was published by the GA State AG, to my training partner, and he stated that it was exactly that an opinion and not a statute or law. again i am not a lawyer and i didn't understand the statute.

2) as in my earlier post there are many people in the Military that are not the caliber of people that should be carrying in the first place. that would take advantage of the statue and get themselves in trouble. they can't drive without getting in trouble, they can't go to river street without getting into a fight. if they can't do the basic things without being chaptered, receiving article 15's etc, they would not do well carrying.

also the majority of the folks in my unit couldn't care less about ccw, or what goes with it. the ones that do, go out and get their ccw and are normally of the higher caliber of gun owner/ shooter and they are ethical, responsible adults, that add to society instead of retract from it.

i am all about the 2ND amendment, and ccw, also with that i like to do things that put and keep gun owners and ccw holders in a good light. there are many just in my unit alone that would bring dishonor and discredit to ccw holders, gun owners etc, and do the kinds of things that give the anti's fuel for the fire.
 
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This is absolutly true. I have much more freedom off base than I do on base. We can not carry on base unless in a security type roll and using an issued weapon. If a military member lives on base and has firearms the red tape and rules governing it are worse than hitler himself could imagine. Sure we can go overseas and carry all manner of weapons but back in the states we are treated like 12 yr old children in reguards to firearms.
100% right you are.
 
your Constituition rights are out the window as far as the COmmander is concerned.

While the military can (and does!) restrict your freedom, there are limits. Military personnel do not automatically lose all constitutional rights.

Remember the flap at Fort Campbell, KY a few months ago? Some infantry unit commander tried to make all the soldiers under his command report on information about personally owned firearms (including those kept exclusively off post), storage, and concealed carry. Someone much higher up than him swatted it down, officially because he "was not acting within his authority."

While the commander in AK may have issued a similar order, I have doubts that it would survive a legal challenge. It seems to be a pretty clear violation of the soldiers' constitutional rights.
 
You are correct sir, it is more correct for me to have said your rights are limited or restricted than completely gone.
 
Dan - For the love of God, STOP TYPING IN ALL CAPITAL LETTERS! It's the same as shouting, and will get you ignored by pretty much everyone.

"Amendment", not "Ammenment". It's kind of an important difference.
 
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Dan - It's got nothing to do with getting along. I've got no problem with you - you just joined today. I was merely pointing out that if you continued to post all in caps like that, people would quickly become annoyed.

And as far as correcting the spelling - yeah, that's important too. People look at this site to learn about the second amendment and gun rights - if we can't even correctly spell the things we're trying to support and promote, how do you think that makes us look?

Bottom line, I'm not trying to bust your chops. Take my comments to heart or discard them entirely, I don't care. Just trying to suggest a little closer scrutiny of what you put out there is all.
 
Dan, the whole point to the issue at hand now is it is very annoying to look at mispelled words. Many people have trouble spelling and when they post on sites such as these it is like finger nails down a blackboard. You see the words as correctly spelled and others see them mispelled. When you CAP your words or color them red it only makes it worse. It doesn't make you stupid or something less, but only should show you that improvement;) of spelling and word selection in forming sentences forms your argument in a more stronger and forceful way.
 
S.Dak doesn't require any class for CCW but does for hunting license. There a free hunter safety class is required.. It is your personal responsiblility to know the applicable laws and obey same. Milatary personel stationed here get residenct status for hunting privileges.
 
Some of these newfangled web browsers nowadays have spell checkers that'll correct you when you're typing up your post on THR, or any other forum for that matter. May I suggest Firefox 3.0?

Getting a CCP in WA is a bit quicker for military. It might be because they know you're not a convicted felon if you're in the military, so that might speed up the background check. I got mine in the mail in only 8 days :D

WA state does trust us more with guns than the Army does. To be on post you have to register your guns, and I know how much we all love the idea of registering our guns with the federal government. That and you're not allowed to carry them around, or keep them loaded, and if I'm not badly mistaken the rule is they have to be stored in a lockbox at all times. Luckily I'm off post and I never bring them on post so I don't have to deal with that.

I think a lot of the Army's rules come from dealing with idiots though. The Army can be quick to take away everyone's freedom to do something because a couple of idiots hurt themselves and/or others while doing said activity. It's sad that there are people like that who screw something up for everyone else through their stupidity, but that's the way it is in the military.
 
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