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MT GUNNY
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From what I can remember,
It isnt all that hard, there is three qualifing awards Marksmen, One I cant remember, and Expert.
I think you can miss a couple and still get Expert badge
You have to requalify every year
The targets range from 20 to 300 yards,
The targets them selves are green plastic poppups painted like the enemy,
if and when hit they returnd to the down position, and only stay up for about
three seconds
Ithink the amount of rounds fired is between 30 and 60,
and i thought there was a time limit also but cant remember
It isnt all that hard, there is three qualifing awards Marksmen, One I cant remember, and Expert.
I think you can miss a couple and still get Expert badge
You have to requalify every year
The targets range from 20 to 300 yards,
The targets them selves are green plastic poppups painted like the enemy,
if and when hit they returnd to the down position, and only stay up for about
three seconds
Ithink the amount of rounds fired is between 30 and 60,
and i thought there was a time limit also but cant remember
Jorg Nysgerrig
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Marksman, Sharpshooter, Expert in the Army. I can't remember what the standards were for the lower ones, but as I recall Expert was 36 hits of 40 on man size popup targets from something like 25 to 300 yards. I seem to recall you only need something like 24 for Marksman. Sometimes we shot paper, as well. Can't remember the scoring on that, though.
We only qualified rifle and grenade in basic, did things like M60 later.
We only qualified rifle and grenade in basic, did things like M60 later.
Troutman
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<<there is three qualifing awards Marksmen, One I cant remember, and Expert.>>
Sharpshooter!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Sharpshooter!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I had a friend who became a marine sniper, and it has been about 10 years since he told me this, but I think he said that they had to be able to hit the cranio-ocular cavity with five of five shots at 500m with an M-16. Offhand.
Can anybody straighten me out on that? Every time I think of it it seems unbelievable.
Can anybody straighten me out on that? Every time I think of it it seems unbelievable.
Vityaz
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Unless I'm mistaken, you don't have to do anything like that. Just qualify expert in basic training.
jobu07
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Advanced Rifle Marksmanship in the Army consists of engaging targets, from various standing postions, at ranges of 25 meters to 5 meters. You engage targets with your weapon from the 25, 20, 10, and 5 meter lines starting from facing, left, right, and rear. Then you move onto engaging while walking towards the target. There is no real standard for it, though, just bragging rights for who put the most rounds COM on the paper E-type.
Everyone else seemed to hit on basic rifle marksmanship.
Hooah.
Everyone else seemed to hit on basic rifle marksmanship.
Hooah.
I'm sure glad you didn't even begin to ask about Air Force (ChAir Force) small arms training.
Ground defense guys do perform to standards similar to Army and Marine infantry but the less said about the rest of the mob, the better.
And I mean it!
Ground defense guys do perform to standards similar to Army and Marine infantry but the less said about the rest of the mob, the better.
And I mean it!
USMC standard annual qual, with out looking at a book. I'm close if nothing else.
200 yard slow fire, Able target, 12" bulls eye = 5pt, 24" circle = 4pt, 36" circle = 3pt, a hit anywere on 4'x4' target = 2pt. Fire a shot, then it gets marked and recorded.
5 shots sitting, 5 shots kneeling, 5 shots standing
200 yard rapid fire sitting, dog target, 19"x24" for 5pt, another size for 4pt...ect (cant' remember the dog target specs for the rest of the rings) 10 shots in 60 sec.
200 yard line total = 125pts
300 slow fire, same able target, 5 shots sitting, marked after each shot
300 rapid fire prone, same target as 200 rapid fire
300 yard line total = 75pts
500 yard line slow fire, 10 rounds, from prone, E Target, 19"x48" for 5pts each shot, marked after each shot.
250 pt total. 220 and above for Expert, 219 to 210 for sharpshooter, 209 to 190 for marksman.
We do this on Iron Sites, every year with banged up rack guns
Now if you're wondering MOA on new rifles, I belive it's 3 MOA for a M16A4, minimum factory standard
200 yard slow fire, Able target, 12" bulls eye = 5pt, 24" circle = 4pt, 36" circle = 3pt, a hit anywere on 4'x4' target = 2pt. Fire a shot, then it gets marked and recorded.
5 shots sitting, 5 shots kneeling, 5 shots standing
200 yard rapid fire sitting, dog target, 19"x24" for 5pt, another size for 4pt...ect (cant' remember the dog target specs for the rest of the rings) 10 shots in 60 sec.
200 yard line total = 125pts
300 slow fire, same able target, 5 shots sitting, marked after each shot
300 rapid fire prone, same target as 200 rapid fire
300 yard line total = 75pts
500 yard line slow fire, 10 rounds, from prone, E Target, 19"x48" for 5pts each shot, marked after each shot.
250 pt total. 220 and above for Expert, 219 to 210 for sharpshooter, 209 to 190 for marksman.
We do this on Iron Sites, every year with banged up rack guns
Now if you're wondering MOA on new rifles, I belive it's 3 MOA for a M16A4, minimum factory standard
Gator
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Not only that, but they have to do it blindfolded and at the double!
SoCalShooter
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That aint no rack grade m16. if it was he is a damn fine shot. Your friend was talking about headshots. And at 500 meters off hand thats amazing.Not to call him a liar but I would want to know more facts.
AlaskaErik
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In the Marine Corps the targets started at 200 meters and stopped at 500 meters. And that's just for non-infantry Marines.
Ragnar Danneskjold
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So they don't train to engage targets below 200 meters? Are you sure about that one? Cause that sounds immensely stupid.
In our current struggle with the insurgents, are single well-aimed shots from a fixed position at long range targets really applicable? I kinda doubt it.
In our current struggle with the insurgents, are single well-aimed shots from a fixed position at long range targets really applicable? I kinda doubt it.
Steve in PA
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Um, the USMC rifle course is the same for every Marine, unless you are a sniper. There is no seperate course for non-infantry Marines.
Every Marine is a rifleman......remember that.
Every Marine is a rifleman......remember that.
bogie
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And the Marine Corps is comprised of nothing but Marine Snipers. Nobody cleans toilets or drives trucks. They're all Snipers. And they can all neuter a gnat at 500 metres in a hurricane. But that's only with their super-accurate M15 rifles with the precision guided scopes...
I know all this because I was told it... In bars, in gun shows, on the interwoob, usually not at a range tho... Wonder why...
I know all this because I was told it... In bars, in gun shows, on the interwoob, usually not at a range tho... Wonder why...
Air Force (go ahead, snicker) pistol qualification is:
Life-size sillouhette targets
6 shots, Weaver stance, 5-7m
6 shots, over right barricade, 15m
3 shots, Weaver, rapid reload, 3 shots kneeling, 15m
9 shots, strong side barricade, 15m
3 shots, reload, 3 shots, strong side barricade, 15m
6 shots, over left barricade, 15m
6 shots, choice of barricade, 25m
Qualify: 35/45 on the target
Expert: 41/45 on the target, 25/30 in 10" body, 6/15 in 6" head.
All are multiples of 3; 2 to the body, 1 to the head. All first shots DA, most from holstered. Various time constraints for each - plenty of time if you don't waste it.
Very few don't qualify. There's usually one per class of 10-15 that fails. And you can usually pick out that person before class even starts. I'd say about 1/5 or a little less qualify Expert. Even some guys that claim to "own lots of guns" and "shoot a lot" don't qualify expert.
Life-size sillouhette targets
6 shots, Weaver stance, 5-7m
6 shots, over right barricade, 15m
3 shots, Weaver, rapid reload, 3 shots kneeling, 15m
9 shots, strong side barricade, 15m
3 shots, reload, 3 shots, strong side barricade, 15m
6 shots, over left barricade, 15m
6 shots, choice of barricade, 25m
Qualify: 35/45 on the target
Expert: 41/45 on the target, 25/30 in 10" body, 6/15 in 6" head.
All are multiples of 3; 2 to the body, 1 to the head. All first shots DA, most from holstered. Various time constraints for each - plenty of time if you don't waste it.
Very few don't qualify. There's usually one per class of 10-15 that fails. And you can usually pick out that person before class even starts. I'd say about 1/5 or a little less qualify Expert. Even some guys that claim to "own lots of guns" and "shoot a lot" don't qualify expert.
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The Corps has that Advanced Marksmenship Training stuff too, except we call it EMP (Enhanced Marksmenship Program). I've done it too many times to count and all it is is a waste of rounds.
XDKingslayer
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Actually there are some 50 and 100 meter shoots, but those are usually night/gasmask shoots.
Why do you feel the need to shoot at under 200 meters? If you can hit the 200 meter target, the 300 meter target, and the 500 meter target, chances are you can hit something under 200.
DRZinn
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Five headshots at 500 yards from the offhand? Not with a stock M-16. No way.
jobu07
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You'd be suprised... I've seen a lot of gent's on our Army qual ranges clean up on targets presented at 200 to 300 meters and end up missing every 50 meter target that presented itself.
XDKingslayer
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Actually, I've seen it done. I watched two SOG Marines out at the Lejeune range (they live out there, literally) screwing around and betting each other 10 bucks a round. The one put 4 out of 10 in the head at 500 and the other put 7 out of 10 in the head at 500. They were both offhand.
Steve in PA
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Who said anything about head shots at 500 yards from the standing position?
The USMC shoots from 500 yards (meters actually) but it is from the prone position.
The USMC shoots from 500 yards (meters actually) but it is from the prone position.
XDKingslayer
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Those would be the ones too dumb to set their BZO back...
Every service is different. The one already posted for the USMC is correct, except for the fact that scoring is a 1 or 0 point system now. If you're on the target, it's one point. If not, than it's 0.
In basic training, the scored training is with a M16 rifle from the 200, 300, and 500 yard marks. There is no pistol training in boot camp. In fact, I never even shot a pistol in the military until much later, and it wasn't for qualifying, just to be familiar with it, as my MOS did not require a pistol. Basically, the only Marines who qualified with a pistol was for the MOS's that had one issued. Basic fundamentals are the same, though.
In basic training, the scored training is with a M16 rifle from the 200, 300, and 500 yard marks. There is no pistol training in boot camp. In fact, I never even shot a pistol in the military until much later, and it wasn't for qualifying, just to be familiar with it, as my MOS did not require a pistol. Basically, the only Marines who qualified with a pistol was for the MOS's that had one issued. Basic fundamentals are the same, though.
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