Minimum caliber for dog protection

[Walking Dead]

It's funny how a "minimum caliber for dog protection" turns into KILL ALL THE PIT BULLS! If a dog pees in the yard it's a pit bull, if it barks it's a pit bull, if it bites it's a pit bull. Bad owners make bad dogs the same way bad parents make bad children.

 

[Pyro]

That is true Walking Dead.
I've known pit bulls that were absolute sweethearts and wouldn't hurt a fly.
Although they are an aggressive type, you just need to teach the thing how to behave like any other dog. Like a kid who misbehaves gets punished (although some parents feel differently and it shows). Whenever my dog misbehaves she gets a firm wack or two on the head. She knows I love her and I usually reward her with a treat afterwards because she understands what she did wrong. How do I know she understands? Because rarely do I have to discipline her for the same thing twice.

But to contribute, I have a .38 derringer loaded with 2 Glaser Silvers for dogs.

 

[txhoghunter]

I am a big dog lover, but I have had to kill them on occasion. Out on the farm there are feral dogs, and some that we believe are the neighbors, all of which are extremely aggressive. The first one I killed with a Glock 19, and it was shot 4 times as it came at me before it died.

Out on the farm we don't bother with pepper spray, if a dog shows signs of aggression, it is shot. The risks are too high to just try to scare it off, because it will more than likely be back again later.

However, after it took 4 9mm rounds to kill the dog, I now carry a Sig P220 (.45 ACP) and either a 12 ga loaded with 00 buck or an AR is on the four-wheeler with me when out on the property.

 

[BADUNAME37]

FDF - I watched a dog get hit a few weeks ago. He ended up at the animal hospital, shattered pelvis, rib pokes through most of his internal organs, bleeding out internally, and they put him down.

Poor guy did get up and hobble on three legs a few steps when I put him in the back of the truck.

I hear you.
Any animal getting struck by a car is sad.

I did, however run over a rat that was crossing the road from a field when I was about 16!
I smiled at that kill!
I have also run over several mice over the years!

 

[Sunliner]

I hope your dog was in worse shape than that for you to put it down!

Me too. I've wondered over the years. Once the first shot was fired however the job had to be finished.

 

[Prosser]

It's not just the dog training, it's the breeding, caused by dog shows, and the drive to sell your puppies for a mint.

For some reason the dog judges seem to think that every breed should have a head like a whippet, or greyhound. These idiots create lines of dogs that have limited brain capacity, due to a too small for breed head. Oddly this type of breeding leads to dogs that are sketish, and none breed like.

Dobermans are supposed to be 1/3 rott, and have big, wide heads, not look like greyhounds. Likewise Great Pyreenes have some judges that think they should look like a white golden retreiver, and, others that think they should look like what they are, a big, thick, heavy dog designed to protect flocks from bears, by killing the bears.

One of the breeders I knew had two different lines of dogs, one thick, big, and too standard, and the other thinner and lighter. He would take certain dogs to certain shows, depending on who was judging where.

My limited sampling of dog judges came down to a table of 13 or 14, who wanted separate checks, at Pasta Moon Restaurant in South San Francisco.

The most raving gay judge was trying to convince the others that the standard was a narrower head on a certain type of dog, and I said you must be one of those judges that thinks a Great Pyr should look like a Greyhound, and have a narrow, pointy head. And got into it on Dobermans' as well.

He stiffed me, on the check, but everybody else left at least 25%, and, a couple stayed after and said thank you, since they couldn't say that, without loosing work, due to the guys position.

 

[1911Tuner]

Prosser...Yes. The Collie is another one that's been bred stupid by show people who want a head like spitzer bullet and the ears to stick up like a fruitbat.

I've got a little Pit here that came from a backyard breeder who was likely selling them for fighters. If I could've proven it, I'd have turned him in. Apparently this one didn't have the right temperament, because when he moved...he left her behind. By the time she found her way here, she was skinny and ragged and covered with fleas and ticks. Her tail had also been docked via the rubber band method. Very painful.

She's an absolute doll, though a little leery of strangers until they've satisfied her that they're not there to hurt her. She romps with the other dogs, and is fond of cats if a little confused by them. After two years, she's never bitten...dog, cat, or man...and I can literally reach into her mouth and take food away from her. A 60-pound puppy who provides me with steadfast devotion and charming entertainment. If I'd raised her with
encouragement to be aggressive, it could have gone the other way because she's fast and agile, and stupid strong. Her name is Katy...but we usually just call her Baby Girl.

 

[Sam Cade]

"The Rev. J. G. Wood, in speaking of the latter, says :
"The skilful dog-fancier contrives a judicious mixture of the two breeds, and engrafts the tenacity endurance, and dauntless courage of the bull-dog upon the more agile and frivolous terrier. Thus he obtains a dog that can do almost anything, and though, perhaps, it may not surpass, it certainly rivals almost every other variety of dog in its accomplishments. In the capacity for learning tricks it scarcely yields, if it does yield at all, to the poodle. It can retrieve as well as the dog which is especially bred for that purpose. It can hunt the fox with the regular hounds, it can swim and dive as well as the Newfoundland dog. In the house it is one of the wariest and most intelligent of dogs, permitting no unaccustomed footstep to enter the domains without giving warning."

Although some may think the Rev. J. G. Wood to be a little too enthusiastic in his description of the bull-terrier's good qualities, still if they have ever owned a properly trained animal of this breed, they will undoubtedly agree with the great naturalist a far as to acknowledge this particular dog to be about the best for a boy's dog. With an ardor not excelled by his young master the bull-terrier will chase any sort of game, and will attack and fight any foe at its master's bidding. Indeed the great fault of this kind of dog is that it is inclined to be too quarrelsome among other dogs, and careful attention should be paid to correcting this fault, which may be entirely eradicated by kind and firm treatment; but should any canine bully attack your pet, woe be unto him, for, unless he comes from good fighting stock, he will rue the day he ever picked that quarrel."-- ca.1882 or so, in "The American Boys Handy Book" on the section entitled "How to Choose a Dog".

Daniel Carter Beard is of course one of the founders of the Boy Scouts.

 

[1911Tuner]

Check out this vicious brute...

 

[Smoovbiscuit]

I really am curious where it is your jogging, Im not very worried about dog attacks when Im out n about. Is there a specific dog that scared you or something?

I fully understand wanting a gun for protection, but chosing a carry gun based on what will stop dogs leaves me scratching my head.

 

[HGUNHNTR]

Dobermans are supposed to be 1/3 rott, and have big, wide heads, not look like greyhounds

Actually this is totally intrue. The Doberman is approximately 1/4 Rottweiler. 1/4 Weimareiner, 1/4 Manchester Terrier, and 1/4 Greyhound. The breed was refined for many years after Herr Dobermann began breeding from his kennel in Germany.

 

[DM~]

You seem to be implying that 34 is a large number. It is not. Get a little perspective. The population of the US is around 320,000,000 counting illegals.
Cows kill FAR FAR more people every year than dogs do.

Personally i couldn't care how big or small the number is. If the number is one, does that bring the dead person back?? I bet if that one death was one of your kids, you'd think it was one too many too.

The dog owner, keeping their dogs home is the answer, if they can't do that, then it's on them if the dog get's shot biteing someone!

I amazed that posters here think their dogs have the right to roam off their property and bite people!! Around here, they absolutely would and do get shot!

DM

 

[KZinOKC]

..... the original poster, Boulder, has not been back to post a second time. After 262 posts I think I basically learned to use what you have, if you need to use it at all.. I bet Boulder learned it too.

 

[Sam Cade]

I amazed that posters here think their dogs have the right to roam off their property and bite people!!

Please direct me to this statement.

Personally i couldn't care how big or small the number is

You should.

If the number is one, does that bring the dead person back??

What exactly are you trying to say here?

 

[1911Tuner]

DM...I don't think that anybody involved with this thread is in favor of letting their dogs roam around free. Neither are we in favor of jerking our pistols and shooting a dog just because he happens to be loose. At least, not most of us.

There are ways to handle unfriendly or aggressive dogs without immediately resorting to gunplay, especially in populated or built-up areas. Pulling a gun and blazing away at a dog is a good way to get locked up. Even simply pulling a gun can get you locked up...whether you fire it or not.

As I've tried to point out, the gun should be thought of as a last resort rather than the first response. When the only tool you have is a hammer, all your problems start to look like nails.

 

[Karl Hungus]

Enough reductio ad absurdum arguments. Your arguments are logically flawed.

Maybe you should put down your Latin/English dictionary and re-read the OP.

I have a 32 H&R Mag S&W 332 that I'm considering for dog protection during jogging. What do you guys think of this caliber for dog protection? It is the lightest J-frame I own at about 10 oz. and would prefer it weight-wise to my 442 .38 Spl at 15 oz.

Thoughts?

Logic dictates that the best solution for the OP is to change his jogging route so that he is not exposed to dangerous dogs. At least that's far less absurd than continuing to jog a dangerous route with a sidearm.


Kinda curious how the OP hasn't chimed in after 11 pages of this absurdity...

 

[macadore]

Maybe you should put down your Latin/English dictionary and re-read the OP.

Maybe you should stop trying to prove your case by making absurd statements about jogging with an AR10, and thinking that proves anything.

 

[1911Tuner]

This one's about to crash and burn, so before this sniping goes any further...let's try to keep it on track by considering a few points.

Practically any caliber will do with proper bullet placement, and placing the bullet accurately is a tough proposition with a fast-moving dog. So, we have to literally wait until we can see the whites of his eyes...or his teeth...and even then it can get touchy.

Rather than continue to argue about whether or not to shoot, let's assume that the situation between you and the dog has deteriorated to the point that the gun is all that's left.

As with the sharpened stick, an untrained dog will grab the closest thing to him. Understanding that, it would seem that the best way of not missing and sending bullets skidding down the street and into somebody's kids playing in the yard as block away...holding the gun at arm's length in one hand to invite the bite...and pulling the trigger just as he makes contact would solve both problems pretty well.

The shots will have a telling effect due to lengthwise penetration and gases entering the mouth, throat, and possibly the cranial vault itself. If the GSW is through-and-through, the bullet will will be carrying less velocity and energy, and it will likely be deformed which will cause it to lose even more as it travels. In this instance, the dog will either drop to the shot, or he'll run. If he's a rare one that will fight to the death, he'll be much less effective, and you will likely have disabled or at least severely compromised his main weapon. Namely, his mouth. Even so, he'll be stunned for an instant, giving you time to follow up with a second or even a third shot at near contact distance.

Now then...I'll go ahead and suggest that one of the moderators lock this one before it descends any further into the nether regions. At this time, I really can't see it going anywhere very good.

 

[1911Tuner]

Lock

On second thought, I think I'll go ahead and lock it. If one of the mods wants to reopen it...it's his call.

Cheers!