Mosin Mods

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THE gun to experiment with used to be a springfield 30-06. How many of those you see lieing around in original condition?

If you can't shoot it well as it is, what makes you think hacking it to pieces will help?

By all means, hack away though. It's your gun and by god you can do whatever you want with it. That's the beauty of freedom.
 
What people are trying to say is that at one point in the future mosins will be hard to get. And by then people will view you stupid for taking one that wasn't already in horrible condition and making it different. However, the argument by comparing them to finnish mosins or garands is rather weak as mosins were manufactured at numbers close to 40 million. Garands were made to around 5 or 6 million, and finnish mosins i doubt even totaled the million mark. The numbers that the 1903 springfield were produced at also comes far short from the number of mosins built.

Even though i myself, don't want you hacking a some versions of an M44, i still stand by what i said that its your gun, do as you please.
 
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Sorry about the Mosin collector thing, but you know what I mean. Let's not turn this into another bubba vs. collector mosin thread, too many have been locked that way and no one gets anything out of it. For those that have seen the "Snipper rifle" thread by RonE, imagine his with a 16" muzzle braked barrel, scout mount with red dot or 3-9x pistol scope, nice-looking wood and a folder. But minus the barrel stabilizer and warning labels. I might even tiger stripe the wood with a torch or something.
And yes, it's a normal MN, not Finnish or marked interestingly or anything. Actually the whole thing is in pretty poor aesthetic shape with dings, poor bluing, and shellac (I hate shellac!), but it has a decent barrel as far as all the Mosins I've peered down go. I will be accurizing it, that's what I said from the beginning. But everyone knows how to do that.
 
My 1948 Izzy laminated M44 is a joy to shoot. It is more accurate than my eyes. I wouldn't dream of doing anything to it.
 
This little beauty(Hungarian M44) will produce 1 1/4 MOA at 100yds. It has been slightly modified, I had a gunsmith friend of mine shorten and bend the bolt and do a trigger job on it(3.75lb pull), I refinished the stock myself.
 
I mustn't let my '46 Izhevsk see this thread. :eek:

I agree with Mosin Freak, Cosmoline, Amish, et al. Without being condescending, I just don't see the point in trying to make something (a Mosin) into something it's not (a sporter, etc.). One also must consider the historic aspect at hand.

Deer Hunter also makes an excellent point about the '03 Springfield.

Heck, I'll gladly dispose of that piece of crap, free of charge. ;)
 
I get infinitely more satisfaction out of taking something that has no practical use, and turning it into something useful.
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Why do you think it has "no practical use"? Folks use intact military rifles for hunting and target shooting all the time. If you don't like them, get some sav/rem/win/rug/cz in the usual same-old configuration.
 
Assuming it works in the end, it'll have way more practical use than it does now.
Accurizing: like Col. Whelen said, "Only accurate guns are interesting."
Folder: it'll finally fit behind the truck seat.
Removing all that stupid wood up front: weight.
16" braked and well crowned barrel: gets rid of the bayonet and front sight.
Pistol grip: better felt recoil, more consistant grip, light-years ahead in ergos.
Scout mount: honestly it'll probably just hold a red dot, but that's still an improvement. I like to use the original sights just because they're kind of fun in a weird, perverse kind of way... but they aren't any good.
In addition to the "tacticool" stuff (which I see as classy, turning an old relic into a modern carbine but with MN looks) don't forget I'll be doing all the traditional accurizing I can. I feel like the trigger is fine, but bedding would definitely help.
 
Knock yourself out, but you will end up with an incredibly noisy rifle that won't shoot straight and falls apart from recoil after a few dozen rounds. I've seen it many times. These garage hack jobs just end up ruining perfectly good rifles.

As far as your assessment, you're dead wrong. The ergonomics are fine, the sights are fine, the bolt is fine, the stock is fine, and the whole rifle is extremely cool. If you want one with more accuracy there are REAL accurizing measures you can take. Ironically you fail to identify the one key problem with Mosin accuracy--the trigger. There are aftermarket fixes for that. You're coming at this without really understanding anything about the rifle or what makes an accurate, effective firearm, and that's probably what annoys me more than anything else. Bubba revels in rank ignorance. He's PROUD of being stupid. And I've seen his handiwork more times than I care to remember. Don't be bubba. Learn to appreciate what you have. Learn about its history and learn to shoot it properly. Open your mind! Here's an example of what you can do with that "clunky" bolt and "outdated" stock design:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RfvSDQMMmSE

See how fluid the movement is? Practice some and you can be doing that.
 
Does no one read posts fully? I will be accurizing, it's just that I already know the tricks. Ifinally got a straight answer from cosmo here, that the wood won't hold up. Well, I thought that since I have access to a modern machine shop any changes will be professional, not garage-bubba'd. The poor machining on my MN pisses me off. My dad can't do worse than that, he builds scientific equipment.
 
The stock will hold up unless you start hacking at it and trying to make it some bizarre folder. Your folding mechanism will fail under recoil. Your brake will probably end up flying downrange, as many of the aftermarket brakes do. I have no idea how you'd keep optics on there other than welding some steel platform for them and bolting them on. An ordinary scout mount will let loose under the recoil from a 16" barrel and no hardwood in front or back to balance it out. Anyway, consider yourself warned.
 
Go buy a $50 Omega Weapons Systems T-53 and have fun.
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How could you say that! They are rifles with great historical significance :neener:

While I wouldn't do it myself, do whatever you want. I really don't see the
mosins as some sacred weapon of war, it's just a mass produced gun. There are millions of them and it is unlikely that yours is going to be worth any money if you leave at as is considering that a lot of people think it's sacrilegious to cut it up.

Thank being said, I would just sporterize it, Scope, Stock, etc

HB
 
Alright, so if I get the sporter stock, bed it, cut off the barrel before the bayonet, and weld on a flash suppressor made by my dad do you think a scout mount would hold on under recoil? Don't flash suppressors reduce reoil? I'd really like to keep the original stock though. Seems like it'd be heavier (recoil-reducing) and I like it better. Would it be acceptable to just keep the pistol grip idea? I'm thinking of reccessing it into the stock a little for strength and bolting it on, but would that hold up?
 
Wow, that's nice. I wasn't aware of him, thanks. How easy is it to do that?
 
The poor machining is simply part of the historical significance of the weapon: the Russians had to produce them as fast as possible, so they skimped on fit and finish. Woop-de-do. Ivan and Igor still killed the Germans just as well with their poorly-machined M44's.

Guess I'm just a sucker for historical rifles. Speaking of which, that 91/30 wants to be adopted! :D
 
Thanks for all the encouragement, guys, CZ42 KEEP it UP!!!.

RonE...you got the balls of a gub-ment mule! I LOVE your Mary Kay Mosin!!

Those of you who want to follow my progrees with my Mosin, be patient. It has to cool off and I have to get a couple of deer in the freezer before I go back to it.
For those Sticks in the Mud who wish to quell our fun I submit:

"A man convinced against his will, is of the same opinion still."

So, quit nagging us about what we're doing with our 1 of 20 million rifles. I'd rather BUILD my own Scout rifle than be GIVEN a Steyr or Savage.

35W
 
The character "The End" from Metal Gear Solid 3 (who might be the best video game character ever) uses a Mosin 91/30 which is modified with some kind of metal stock. I don't think it's a folding stock though. Here is a picture:

exp_mgs3_01.jpg


Yes, that is his pet parrot on his shoulder. If you kill it, it will come back as a ghost. And he's wearing L.L. Bean boots. The leaves on his ghillie suit are alive and somehow an extension of his body, and as he is dying, they fade to yellow and then brown. And the battle with him can take up to four hours. Like I said...the best character ever.
 
I fail to see any benefit to hacking the barrel down to 16", especially if accuracy is the goal.
Folding stock...eh, if you really want some gun rice.
Go ahead and accurize it if you really want to and work on the trigger. I wouldn't hope for too much though.

I'd also venture a guess that most of the accuracy problems come from either the guy pulling the trigger or running ammo thats older than most of the guys on this board and was made during the Korean or Vietnam wars.

If you really want something like that, just buy an Enfield jungle carbine.
 
I do like the trigger job idea (the "$0.02" one) and I've even though of cutting off about 1/4" of the barrel and giving it an 11-degree target crown. She needs all the help she can get--especially with the trigger.

I mean, all you guys flaming this thread about "ruining" a rifle must be crazy. You are telling me that in long-range Garand shooting they don't modify those "priceless GI" rifles to accept scopes and match triggers and crown muzzles, etc.? And those rifles start at $500+ and only go up from there.
 
Whether or not the rifle is priceless, when he gets done with the mods described it will be worthless as either a shooter or a collector's piece. If he really wants to chop it up, then I think he should complete the SBR paperwork and make it into a MN handgun. Historically, this was done, especially among partisans and criminals. They used down loaded ammo. Picture a mare's leg version of an MN. A member here made just such a gun a year or two ago and posted pics. He has something that is both unusual and that replicates history. Trying to turn an MN into some kind of half-fast EBR is a waste of an MN even if you consider them nothing but project guns.
Search here and at TFL on "obryez" to learn more.
 
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I love how you already know the outcome of this project before it's really been started.

Hey, didn't I meet you at Delphi ~2000 years ago?
 
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