Mossberg 500 SHTF

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When I say SHTF I mean a realistic scenario; Natural disaster, wide spread disease/biological contamination, governmental collapse

Natural disaster I can see. Living in Michigan, about the only ND I can relatively expect is a harsh winter blizzard that might knock out power for a week or two at the worst. In my little section of MI, floods aren't much of a danger. The occasional storm might knock out power to the house, but not OMGtheSHTFwhatwillIdo?!?!?1one!!1 panic that I'm going to start boarding up windows and setting claymores in the yard.

Widespread disease/ biological contamination? Way too much Hollyweird my man. The only thing I could foresee even close to this is a nuclear power plant meltdown. There are two, at least, in a 75-100 mile radius of my location. Even if they experienced a Worst Case Scenario like Chernobyl, which is highly unlikely, the possibility of mass panic and fallout is minimal.

Governmental collapse is another Hollyweird scenario that is unlikely to happen. My brother lives in a state whose government effectively shutdown, and has been that way for sometime, Minnesotta. Guess what, there isn't mass panic and rioting in the streets without rule of law.

Hordes of Alien Chinese Zombie Paratroopers aren't darkening the skies anytime soon either.

I personally find the idea of SHTF entertaining, but unlikely. However, having said all that, I do have plans in the event "It won't happen here" actually happens here. I don't know your exact living situation, but Shelter in Place is one of ther best options you have. Setting out upon a perilous journey like Mad Max might be fun to consider and even plan for, but the liklihood of success is slim, bordering on none.

But since we're entertaining the idea, I'll +1 the notion of a decent .22LR and a 12gauge shotgun. Between the two, there isn't a lot that can't be done. But, if weight consideration is a factor, and if you're hoofing it across the country it certainly should be, then ditch the 12 gauge. A .22LR with a good amount of ammunition and a variable power scope should be sufficient. Accuracy between bolt action, semi-auto, pump, etc. can be debated til Armageddon, but I prefer a good semi-auto. Then your considerations will be tube fed or box mag. Again, that's really personal preference. A Ruger 10/22 with a 40 round banana mag goes a long way.

A side arm could be considered if you feel .22LR won't be enough for certain breeds of two legged varmints, a full frame 9mm hi cap would suffice. Something like a Beretta 92FS with a few mags, or a Glock with the 33 rnd mags. With the proper rig, the weight of it just melts off. And in a EOTWAWKI, open/ concealed carry laws would be moot.

That's if you plan to go mobile on foot. If you're going to Shelter in Place, weight isn't a problem. My plan for most SHTF scenarios is SIP. I've got a sturdy house, decent neighbors, and a lot of land to see what there is to see. I've got a decent garden, but nothing that will feed myself and family year round indefinetely. Stock up on cases of Ramen, bottled water (or a hand pump if on a well), rice and canned goods. If well rationed, a pantry of food can stretch out to last for weeks. The occasional squirrel, bunny, turkey, deer or whatever local game is in your area is a good supplement to your stockpile, but reliance on hunting, trapping and foraging is a recipe for failure. I'm set to survive if I need to for a couple weeks, a month if I push it, with just what I have in my house right now. If I were to really plan and prepare, I could probably go a few months or more before I'm considering which of the dogs to eat. If any long term disaster really lasts that long, then god help us.

Survival in a SHTF scenarios is not so much reliant as "What gun should I have?"

Remember, Mindset, Skillset, Toolset, in that order.
 
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For $100 the Mossberg with 18.5" barrel would be a very useful if a bad guy breaks into your home while you are there. That's enough S hitting the F for me. Let's plan for that.

Even though the chances are very slim of it happening, a home invasion is about a million times more likely to happen than anything that will have you living off the land. With the longer barrel thrown in, you might discover you like turning clay targets into orange powder. Trust me it's almost as much fun as sitting around dreaming up end of the world fantasies. :)
 
Love your sig line, LibShooter.

I think the problem that has been pointed out is ammo. It's heavy and bulky, plus there's oodles of choices for payload.

Personally, I stock Slugs, lead BB shot, #6 shot, and #7 1/2 shot. Here in Wisconsin anything betweeen slug and BB is off limits for legal hunting, so I don't want to stock up on something of limited use for "the meantime."

Reviewing gelatin tests for defense, I wouldn't hesitate to use BB at traditional pistol distances, and I'll use slugs beyond that. For smaller critters I would use #6.
Squirrel up to Turkey= #6 lead shot
Goose up to coyotes = lead BB shot
Slugs for anything bigger.

This is just my opinion.
 
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The ONLY downside to the Mossberg 20 ga. is ammo availability as compared to 12 ga. But, stock up w/ a good number of boxes of of buck, slug and shot and don't worry about it.
 
If a SHTF scenario is so unlikely, why is FEMA running Public Service Announcements on TV and Radio? "Get a Kit, Make a Plan, Be Prepared" and "The First 72 Is On You". Just sayin'.
 
"Get a Kit, Make a Plan, Be Prepared" and "The First 72 Is On You".

I hope I can survive 72 hours on my stash of SpaghettiOs and Dasani without being forced into the woods with my shotgun and whatever I can carry on my back.

Disasters will happen... but batteries, beans and bottled water will be way more useful than a shotgun or rifle.
 
Thanks for the advice everyone! I left the topic alone and I come back to a lot of comments.

I believe I'm well prepared to live off the land. I'm a avid camper/backpacker, and have been researching survival techniques since I was in elementary school, the stuff has always fascinated me. I'm in very good shape and have hiked in the mountains in western Haiti for several miles with a 30+ LB pack so I like to think I have some experience doing so.

As for SHTF scenario's; I'm not to worried, but it doesn't hurt to prepare. With unsettling nature of the world these days, I'm just thinking ahead. I'm sure there won't (and I pray there won't) be a case where there is so much S*** hitting the fan that I actually have to bug out; but my gut instinct is telling me to stock up and firearms, ammo, and survival gear. However most likely if something does happen, I'll be staying on the home front, tending my garden, and defending my home.

I really don't believe the US will collapse over night, its gonna take decades. Even then the most likely scenario is that food prices will sky rocket, job plummet, and just generally harder living conditions. NOT mass chaos (lets hope). In that case, having a weapons for some hunting and a "just-in-case" defense guns are, I believe, a good investment.


But I'm sure this topic has been covered a billion times before and my question has been answer. Therefore, Mods can locked/close this thread.
 
Can't believe this topic has made it this long.
First I'm going to say. You should stroll over to www.gunfolks.com we have SHTF discussion as its own section.

Second I would say, Your right any gun is better than no gun. If I had to start from scratch all over again, & was a college student I would say get an AK74 a Bulgarian one is like 500 bucks and ammo is a lot cheaper than shotgun ammo. Some people don't realize that shotgun ammo is close to a dollar a round. That adds up real quick. As for hunting small game and SHTF you really should grab a Ruger 10/22 or a Marlin 60 the ammo for that is ubber cheap and still pretty effective if needed for self defense. Good luck with your prepps
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IMO the ideal survival weapon would be something like the Rossi matched pair with a .22 and 20 gauge barrel that interchange on the same frame. H&R also has something similar. The gun is extremely light so carrying the second barrel wouldn't be overly burdensome.

You can carry a huge supply of .22 ammo and it will take small game easily. Shells for a 20 gauge weigh less than 12 gauge ones and slugs will easily take deer at reasonable ranges. I'd also have a collapsable fishing pole and a slingshot for songbirds and chipmunks.

Realistically, though, surviving off the land by hunting and fishing while traveling would be awful tough to accomplish.
 
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