Most accurate out of the box bolt rifle?

[_N4Z_]

What should/could/would be considered thee most accurate bolt rifle, out of the box, iron sights only (no scopes), on the market today?

Moderate range shooting (300-400 meter).

I was thinking Remington 700 BDL in 270 and up caliber range. May .308 if available.


What do all you people here think?

 

[Jmurman]

I have a REM 700 BDL in .06 and it's very accurate...right out of the box.

 

[Zak Smith]

Accuracy has little to do with the sighting system, as long as a repeatable and precise sight picture can be achieved.

"Out of the box" implies it is a factory rifle, not a custom rifle.

With those two constraints, I would offer up the following factory options as in the class of "best accuracy from the box"--

* McMillan / Tubb 2000
* Accuracy International AW/AWP/AWM/AWSM (Iron sights available from factory).
* SAKO TRG-22/42 (Iron sights available from factory).
* Tikka 595 Target National Match Rifle

When you specify the "most accuracy", there is no qualification for price or what you specifically need.

There are a LOT of custom options out there too, built for specific target shooting sports.

-z

 

[rockstar.esq]

For the ranges that you've mentioned, I'd say that the quality of the iron sights will be a hugely significant factor. To that end most modern bolt actions are equipped with sights that work but aren't really all that great. Many old timers swore by reciever sights because they offered a longer sight radius as well as the "click" adjustability that allows for come ups. To answer your question I'd have to recommend a military rifle like the K-31 which is famous for it's worksmanship and quality sights. I'd also recommend a Garand, an M14, or an 03A3 springfield as any of these rifles will have both a potent cartridge and quality sights set on the reciever.

 

[qajaq59]

What should/could/would be considered thee most accurate bolt rifle, out of the box, iron sights only (no scopes), on the market today?

Moderate range shooting (300-400 meter).

I'd have to agree on the k31. It will cost less then $150, you can get ammo for it that is NON-corrosive, or just reload for it. And it will shoot as accurately as most guys are capable of shooting it. I use mine with the iron sights at 200 yards and have a grand old time. You can mount a scope on it as well if you wish to later on, but I wouldn't on mine. It's a lot tougher to try and shoot well without a scope, but it can a lot more fun too.

 

[_N4Z_]

k31

Funny that two of you mention the K31. I have looked hard at that as an option with so many people out there singing Swiss praises.

Only concern with it was ammunition availability. Not going to find GP11 in the local shop(s) or WallyWorld. I do not reload, but there are online suppliers.

I understand Wolf Gold has added 7.5x55 to the lineup too.

 

[Old Dog]

Savage 110 series, believe it or not, has compared extremely favorably in the out-of-the-box accuracy department against the normal contenders such as the Rem. 700.

 

[jd46561]

Hands down k31. I have 13 and they are, by far, the most accurate. Two 96/11,s I have , are almost a 100 yrs old. they will shoot 1.5 - 2in. groupings 100 yrds , iron sights. They live up to there reputation. Ammo is kind of expensive but readly avalible. Aim surplus has it at a good price.

 

[combatpreacher]

Narrowing it down to only the brand new - out of the box - rifles that i have owned...hands down it has to be the Steyr Mannlicher in 30/06
(Of course most rifles will get better with time if you take care of them properly)

 

[JNewell]

The most accurate rifle I've ever purchased out of the box is a Remington 700 LTR.

Edit to note that the LTR does not come with iron sights in the box, so we'll take it out of the pool of candidates.

 

[nipprdog]

[Hands down k31. I have 13 and they are, by far, the most accurate. Two 96/11,s I have , are almost a 100 yrs old. they will shoot 1.5 - 2in. groupings 100 yrds , iron sights.

no offense to a fellow hoosier, but you coudn't be more wrong.

most box stock Savages or Remingtons willl shoot sub MOA.

from my 10FP

 

[el44vaquero]

Win. 70 .30-06

 

[Meplat]

Savage 110 series, believe it or not, has compared extremely favorably in the out-of-the-box accuracy department against the normal contenders such as the Rem. 700.

Oddly enouth, Old Dog (or ol' dawg as we would say around these parts )
I have two Savages from the 110 Series, and both were at least pleasant surprises...the first in .308 was an extremely pleasant surprise, which led me to purchase one in 7mm-08 for my daughter. While the .284 caliber isn't quite as blessed with the inherent accuracy of the .308, one can hardly quibble over that point. The .308 will spit out five shot 1/2 MOA groups all day long. The 7mm isn't far behind.

They really ARE amazing rifles for the dollar.

 

[Zen21Tao]

I have read some reviews of the $315 Stevens M200 by Savage that say it is as accurate out of the box as a Remington 700. When you combine the accuracy with the fact that the M200 is offered in all the major calibers it appears to be a pretty impressive weapon.

 

[Zak Smith]

So let me get this straight..

You guys are saying that the Garand, M14, 03A3, K-31, Savage 110, Steyr Mannlicher 30-06, Remington 700, Stevens M200, and a Winchester Model 70 are more accurate, from the box, with iron sights than a Tubb 2000?

Let's think about that for a minute or two...

Two rhetorical questions: How many High-Power "Match Rifle" and Palma shooters are using "box-stock" factory rifles from the list above, compared to the Tubb and custom guns? Why?

-z

 

[jd46561]

Well Nipprdog , Ill just agree to disagree . Im not a good shooter I have only been shooting for 1.5 years , but time after time on the different Swiss forums great and good shooters are doing the same thing with 50 -75 year old USED rifles, bought for under 150 bucks. So I stand buy what I said . If he wants to buy a new rifle and pay 4 -500 + for around the same thing, then so be it.

 

[JohnBT]

I think they're talking about mass produced guns that come in mass produced cardboard boxes, not the semi-custom and completely hand built jobs.

I still want a New Ultra Light Arms rifle, but that's a different thread. www.newultralight.com

John

 

[Zak Smith]

I don't know what kind of box the T2K comes in - my AI's came in cardboard boxes - but they are certainly factory production, not custom rifles.

http://www.davidtubb.com/t2k.html

The T2K is simply the finest centerfire target rifle available. It was engineered to deliver state-of-the-art competitiveness out of the box -- install sights and you're ready for the firing line or field. The goal was to develop an extremely accurate precision-built rifle that was completely adjustable to each individual shooter. The T2K achieves this goal through carefully chosen components and the highest quality CNC machining technology in the industry. The TUBB 2000 is not just an equivalent alternative to custom modified rifles -- it is a clearly superior choice. Out-of-the-box, this rifle has won four NRA High Power National Championships (including holding the record) and a number of NRA Long Range championship events (1000 yard events), including the 2004 NRA Long Range Championship with a perfect score.

 

[atek3]

I think they're talking about mass produced guns that come in mass produced cardboard boxes, not the semi-custom and completely hand built jobs.

sako's and tikka's are mass produced, and they'll shoot the pants off any box-stock winchester, savage, k31, etc.

atek3

 

[Jspy]

Zak,
Whats the price range on the rifles you listed above? I don't doubt that they are all super accurate rifles, but I believe most people think of average run of the mill rifles such as Remington, Winchester,Savage,etc. when first thinking of buying a rifle. I would like to own one of the AI's, etc. on your list just to see if I could see an improvement on my own groups, as I don't consider myself to be much of a marksman.

 

[thebigc]

how about a finnish m39 i only paied 230 shipped for mine and its damn acurate and reliable.

 

[Gewehr98]

Nipprdog, nice groups!

But, as the thread starter asked, were those fired using iron sights?

 

[MachIVshooter]

IMO, the most accurate bone-stock bolt rifle is the Remington 40X, but it is not equipped with iron sights. I don't own one, but reviews seem to indicate they are almost universally half-minute capable with the right load.

 

[bigcim]

Does anybody know the moa on a rem 700 @100 yrds factoryspecs not personal experience

 

[R.W.Dale]

Does anybody know the moa on a rem 700 @100 yrds factoryspecs not personal experience

There is no MOA factory spec the individual gun has too much to do with how it shoots. But for sake of conversation lets say you had a rem 700 that you sent back to the factory for shooting 3" groups. They would sent it right back to you with a letter stating that accuracy was acceptable.