Most likely SHTF scenario and how to prepare?

[bobhaverford]

IMO we ignore the following scenarios at our own risk: http://fjordman.blogspot.com/2005/11/second-fall-of-rome.html

Small exerpts from the article:

Historian Bat Ye'or, who first coined the term "Eurabia", thinks that Europe's ties with the Arab-Islamic world are now so firmly entrenched and established that Eurabia is an irreversible fact. Europe will cease to be a Western, democratic continent, and will become an appendix to the Arab world, a civilization of dhimmitude employed to spread Jihad and further the cause of Islam on a global basis, while the original, non-Muslim population are held hostage in their own countries out of fear of Muslim violence.

I must admit there are certain parts of Europe that do seem to be beyond hope, or very close to it. ALL of the largest Dutch cities are projected to have a Muslim majority within a generation, as will several English, French, Belgian, Scandinavian and Spanish cities. I foresee several possible scenarios.

What we are seeing in the West are the opening salvoes of the continuation of the Jihad against Christendom that was brought to a close at Vienna in 1683. The new onset has come about as a direct consequence of allowing Muslim immigration to the West. Muslims are mandated to the Jihad and it is foolish of us to expect that they will refrain from doing so. It is our foolishness that gave them the opportunity to do so from within. Muslims and their religion are not yet ready to accept pluralism, democracy and free thinking. Democracy is in fact incompatible with Islam, as many Muslim imams have openly stated. That is their interpretation of the Koran. It should therefore come as no surprise to us, that Muslims in the West are waging Jihad against us. In their eyes, if we didn't realise that this would happen, the fault lies with us and not them. And they're right.

I do not think our societies, geared as they are to free and open thought, can continue with this continuous assault on freedom. If this assault is not brought to a halt soon, then free society will start to perish, and with that the economy. It may not be evident immediately, but perish it will in the fullness of time. If the current trend of increasing conflict continues, then we are irrevocably headed in the direction of a major armed conflict with the Islamic world. This is also going to lead to a civil war within Europe of unimaginable proportions. Europe's civil wars (WW 1 and 2) have not exactly been powder-puff affairs. Each day brings news of events that seem to bring us to that inevitable reckoning. We do not wish to fight for religion but we are being engaged in a religious conflict, quite against our will. Our politicians find it difficult to imagine that we are in a religious conflict. So passé - that sort of thing went out of fashion in the Middle Ages. It is all so pointless and avoidable. Time is short, and we need to act now to avert a human tragedy.
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Given the trajectory of current world events and the collapse of European will and Western lack of confidence and vitality it would seem we are in for some VERY difficult times. That being said, our right as free citizens to own firearms is even more important than it has ever been in our history.

The S will HTF. Those on this board who ignore that fact do so at their own peril. The only question as I see it is how to prepare to protect our families and loved ones wihout disrupting our current lives. The question is not IF the SHTF but when.

 

[DelayedReaction]

Seriously.

Muslims are mandated to the Jihad and it is foolish of us to expect that they will refrain from doing so. It is our foolishness that gave them the opportunity to do so from within. Muslims and their religion are not yet ready to accept pluralism, democracy and free thinking. Democracy is in fact incompatible with Islam, as many Muslim imams have openly stated. That is their interpretation of the Koran. It should therefore come as no surprise to us, that Muslims in the West are waging Jihad against us. In their eyes, if we didn't realise that this would happen, the fault lies with us and not them. And they're right.

So the estimated 3 million Muslims who live in America are doing what exactly? Preparing for the day of reckoning?

There are some extremely valid reasons for preparing for a SHTF scenario, as the experience in Katrina revealed to us. But the spread of Islamic fundamentalism creating an overarching enemy state hell bent on annihilating our freedom isn't the 'most likely scenario' by a long shot.

 

[Ian]

...collapse of European will and Western lack of confidence and vitality...

I can no longer sit back and allow [strike]Communist[/strike] Muslim infiltration , [strike]Communist[/strike] Muslim indoctrination, [strike]Communist[/strike] Muslim subversion, and the international [strike]Communist[/strike] Muslim conspiracy to sap and impurify all of our precious bodily fluids...

 

[bobhaverford]

I can no longer sit back and allow [strike]Communist[/strike] Muslim infiltration , [strike]Communist[/strike] Muslim indoctrination, [strike]Communist[/strike] Muslim subversion, and the international [strike]Communist[/strike] Muslim conspiracy to sap and impurify all of our precious bodily fluids...

Ian and DelayedReaction (an appropriate moniker BTW) perhaps you should read the entire article.

 

[bobhaverford]

I can no longer sit back and allow [strike]Communist[/strike] Muslim infiltration , [strike]Communist[/strike] Muslim indoctrination, [strike]Communist[/strike] Muslim subversion, and the international [strike]Communist[/strike] Muslim conspiracy to sap and impurify all of our precious bodily fluids...

"My good friends, for the second time in our history, a British Prime Minister has returned from Germany bringing peace with honour. I believe it is peace for our time...
Go home and get a nice quiet sleep." Neville Chamberlain

Yes, you are correct. The Communist were not bent on world domination. And surely the peaceful adherents to the religion of peace, whose religion has been hijacked by a few fanatics, are too bent on "peace for our time." Hear hear!!

 

[chaim]

In the US we don't have much problem. First, the Muslim population in the US isn't that large. Second, most US Muslims are on the moderate end of Islamic thought and not too open to extremism.

Many parts of Europe on the other hand will soon have some problems. Large Muslim immigration rates, large families, and many of the Muslims coming in are extremists. One reason, much of the Arab world actually represses their extremists (they don't like the secular Arab governments any more than they like us) and Europe prides itself on taking in dissidents. There is a chance that some Northern and Western European countries will be dominated by Islamic extremists soon. I think when that happens (actually just before it gets there), the barely latent European racism will rise and there will be a violent backlash.

What can be done? Tighter immigration policies. Europeans in most of Western and Northern Europe have birth rates so low it is below replacement levels. Take a cue from more traditional societies and have larger families.

 

[DelayedReaction]

Ian and DelayedReaction (an appropriate moniker BTW) perhaps you should read the entire article.

Sigh. I'm tempted just to change the handle just so I don't have to hear comments like this anymore. How about attacking the content of my post instead of making some snide remark that contributes nothing to the discussion?

I read the article before I posted. I reread it. It ominously suggests that we are on the brink of a religious conflict, as if the Western culture was some kind of religion. It is not a religion, it is a mixture of different ideals and faiths. To call this a religious conflict is silly.

 

[bobhaverford]

In the US we don't have much problem. First, the Muslim population in the US isn't that large. Second, most US Muslims are on the moderate end of Islamic thought and not too open to extremism.

Many parts of Europe on the other hand will soon have some problems. Large Muslim immigration rates, large families, and many of the Muslims coming in are extremists. One reason, much of the Arab world actually represses their extremists (they don't like the secular Arab governments any more than they like us) and Europe prides itself on taking in dissidents. There is a chance that some Northern and Western European countries will be dominated by Islamic extremists soon. I think when that happens (actually just before it gets there), the barely latent European racism will rise and there will be a violent backlash.

What can be done? Tighter immigration policies. Europeans in most of Western and Northern Europe have birth rates so low it is below replacement levels. Take a cue from more traditional societies and have larger families.

Agree with most of what you said except the implication that it doesn't concern us because our Muslims are moderate. READ THE ARTICLE! The problem is that a Eurabia WILL pose a threat to us. Moderate Muslims are easily pulled into the gravitational orbit of more radical Muslims. As it must be. Apostasy is considered a greater sin than being a Christian.

Unfortunately, the center of gravity of Islam is established by the Koran and Hadiths both of which advocate violence towards Christians. Mohammed himself commited rape and accepted rape as the bounty of war.

 

[Ian]

Perhaps I should have read the whole thing first - but having now done so, my opinion is only reinforced.

The author makes huge, and false, assumptions about the homogeneity of the Islamic religion and its adherants. He sounds just like people who "warned" about what would happen if black slaves were freed or Communist expansion wasn't curbed at Vietnam. He clearly doesn't really understand the people he's talking about. For example:

Islam is nonsense and a failure at producing a stable and civilized society, but it is a highly successful warrior creed, specialized at plundering others.

Islam cannot be reconciled with Western ways, which means that we need physical separation as much as possible.

Also, I just can't help but note the irony of his Rome allusion, given that the barbarian tribes attacked Rome in response to ongoing Roman subjugation.

 

[Borachon]

Most likely SHTF?

Collapse of Western civilization after too much food is wasted. An increase in the use of aluminum foil for clothing causes a shortage in the food storage business. Famine results. Tupperware finally makes its bid for world conquest, and the Storage Wars begin.

"Glass or Plastic?!" becomes the new battlecry.

 

[Omni04]

i always thought a weather related SHTF would be most likely, even if they aren't as devastating as other possible ones. Just my 2 cents though.

 

[LaEscopeta]

Bobhaverford, it does not seem like you are getting much traction on this board for your point of view. I hope you have better luck after this thread gets transferred to the Legal and Political forum (assuming the moderators don’t just close it.)

While I usually don’t like to pile on, I will say the fact that Neville Chamberlain was wrong about the Nazis, doesn’t mean anyone else is right or wrong about anything thing else.

(Omni04: I don’t know, but I suspect this original post was not really intended to be about “Most likely SHTF scenario and how to prepare?”)

 

[Omni04]

i was just responding to Borachon's post, shoulda put in in quotes, sorry!

oh +1 on the tin hat thing, i didn't even notice it before

 

[Preacherman]

Sorry, but this is waaaayy OT for GGD.