My company's insurance company says no guns

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jc2,

Thanks for the information.
I'll ask him about it next time I see him.

I don't know that it makes any difference but the prison is one of those privately run prisons.

I would think all the Texas prisons come under the same rules though.
We'll have a talk about that next time we get together.


About four years ago he told me there was supposed to be a lot of prison gang activity and the talk of trouble across the state.

He's a well liked guy, even by many of the prisoners.
He's tough and doesn't take any crap off them but like when he runs outside work gangs he tries to get them hot meals, etc.
He said one of the prisoners told him if the trouble starts to get out as fast as he can because the prisoners won't be able to protect him.

Anyhow, about that time his boss asked him if he still had a shotgun in his truck.
My friend said you really don't want to know.
His boss said that's good because you may need it to get away from here.

He told me some time later that it looked like things had cooled down.
 
Private may make a difference--I don't know. I was referring specifically to TDCJ owned and operted facilities.
 
Hmmm, I have a brother-in-law who drives truck and says that it is against company policy for drivers to carry, he says it sucks because he has had situations where he would feel safer carrying.
 
Hello All-

I think we are seeing these "signs of the times" all too often. When
the hospital E/R (patient registration and/or waiting area) security
officer is disarmed by the administration, its time we step forward
and challenge those decisions; as far too many drug addicts, idiots,
and mentally retards patronize these kind's of places.

Grant it, giving your opinion may not help but at least the hospital
administration will know how citizens feel about their safety while
waiting to see the good doctor.

Best Wishes,
Ala Dan, N.R.A. Life Member
 
Generally speaking, for the purpose of preventing CHL, the parking lot of a facility can not be considered part of the "premises". If the parking lot belongs to your employer, they can FIRE you for carrying in the parking lot but they can't PROSECUTE you or have you prosecuted for carrying into the parking lot.

TEXAS PENAL CODE
TITLE 10. OFFENSES AGAINST PUBLIC HEALTH,SAFETY, AND MORALS
CHAPTER 46. WEAPONS
...
§ 46.035. UNLAWFUL CARRYING OF HANDGUN BY LICENSE
HOLDER.
...
(b) A license holder commits an offense if the license
holder intentionally, knowingly, or recklessly carries a handgun
under the authority of Subchapter H, Chapter 411, Government Code,
regardless of whether the handgun is concealed, on or about the
license holder's person:
...
(3) on the premises of a correctional facility;
...
(f) In this section:
...
(3) "Premises" means a building or a portion of a
building. The term does not include any public or private driveway,
street, sidewalk or walkway, parking lot, parking garage, or other
parking area.
 
As far as jobs are concerned you may have no grounds to force the employer to provide you with anything. After all you made the decision to go to them and ask for employment. They have their rules. If you don't aide by their rules no one is forcing you to stay there.
As the governments (local, state, and federal) usually have the same policy the courts probably won't see it your way on a private level.
 
I agree with Majic on this one. It's your choice to break the rules, take the risk and pay the consequences or, live the rules. Maybe better said as "live or die by the rules". Either way, it's your choice.

Maybe a flare gun, knives, pepper spray, tasers, and of course big ole tire iron.

Would they consider a Taser a gun? The models with laser are about the price of a K Frame.


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Tasers M-18
 
I'm not sure if it's been heard in the courts yet or what the outcome was if it has but what about second hand smoke damaging the health of people that have worked in places where smokling was allowed. I think airline atendants from back in the day and waitress' in resturants where smoking was allowed are the two big one's I've heard on this issue. Now if they can or have sued the employer because they willingly worked in an environment where smoking was allowed, this would set a precident to file a lawsuit against an employer that was not providing a safe work environment for the employees.
 
Since you don't live in a total smoke free enviroment, nor prove you are never around smoke at any other time it would be hard press to prove the second hand smoke problem came from your job. Wishful thinking, but the air is full of contaminates to sum degree.
 
Majic
MI. only allows Hand Guns, no knives flare guns etc. I do appreciate the thought though. ( We already tried ) I am not sure what to do. although I am currently seeking other employment :banghead: Will have to wait and see what happens.
 
The last company I worked for was just a little bit different than most, it sounds like. We had an employee who got fired and threatened to come back shooting. He actually called up a co-worker/friend on Friday and quietly told him not to be there on Monday. Thats how we figured it was kinda serious. The new owner of the business became frightened, called the Police and was told to "make sure to put 9-1-1 on speedial and to call as soon as the ex-employee was spotted". Fat lot a good that would do! Most of the employees(and me) had an inpromptu "safety" meeting in one of the work bays and we all decided to bring guns to work on Monday, just in case. I would have had a pistol anyway, regardless of the threat. The new owner(typical pantywaist Liberal touchy-feely type) was kindly informed that his crew was coming to work armed, the weapons would be brought onto the business site and hidden from view, and that everyone would be very safe. He looked like he was constipated and said that he couldn't support what we were gonna do, but that he wouldn't stop us either. Monday rolls around and we had 3 or 4 auto-pistols, a few revolvers and 3 shotguns stashed within reach. Needless to say, the bad guy didn't appear and thankfully no violence occured. BTW, on that Monday the boss called in sick! What a leader, no wonder I don't work there anymore.
 
I work for the California Department of Corrections. Our union contract includes provisions that we have the right to carry a concealed weapon off-duty and that each institution must provide secure gun lockers for our weapons. I see very few using these lockers. At my prison the lockers are at the base of one of the towers inside a fenced inclosure in full view of the parking lot and of any visiters coming in. When you go there to bench your weapon a flashing red light is turned on to indicate that the area is "hot". It it against the rules to leave the weapon in you car, but I suspect that many do. As for myself, I don't like the idea of relatives of inmates knowing that I carry. I won't say what I do with my weapon!
 
I think of it this way. I assume they (meaning company people) are not inside your truck very often, if at all. Perhaps for repairs I suppose. So, if you carry the pistola on you, they have no chance of finding it. There is no way in hell I would drive around the country unarmed. There are people robbed and killed in truckstops every day, just like any other place. Personally, I would take the risk, especially if they did not make you sign a no guns policy document. Screw the insurance company. If they allowed guns or not, they would still get sued if you shot while you were performing company duty. Just because they want to limit their liability.

For people that work in an office environment where you constantly have co-workers around, you may have a different view

Concealed means Concealed remember.

Damn, I hate insurance companies

/rant off
 
saltydog452,

I think an apology is in order or at least a deletion of your snide/rude comments to the original poster. They certainly aren't in the spirit of The High Road. I'll await your response.

Just in case you forgot the rules you agreed to 55 posts ago, I'll remind you:

4.) Spamming, trolling, flaming, and personal attacks are prohibited. You can disagree with other members, even vehemently, but it must be done in a well-mannered form. Attack the argument, not the arguer.
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Very good post saltydog452.

I know I'm impressed.:rolleyes:

The mods should be proud of me,
"cause I didn't say anything near what needed to be said to this individual who calls himself saltydog452";)
 
Flame attack on 'Super Trucker"

I did try to delete the response. But apparently wasn't successful. If you are a moderator and feel that my post was in poor taste, please feel free to delete my comments as you see fit.

For whats its worth, I've had my 'Class A' license since 1968 and, yes I have carried a firearm illegally on occasion. The gentleman who calls himself 'Super Trucker' is, or should be, aware that the responsibilities or operating a Commercial Vehicle goes far beyond the stipulations of his employers insurance carrier. I really don't think that he, or you, would want a driver delivering 7,500 galons of fuel to a convenience store/gas station to get into an exchange of gunfire. Depending on the commodity carried in the trailer, the same obligation to the public applies to many, many different types of Hazardous Material that travel on the public highways. 'Super Trucker' , if indeed he is a Commercial Driver, has studied and passed a competency examination on his states minimum requirements for the safe operation of a Commercial Vehicle. His post does not seem to reflect that same knowledge and acceptance of responsibility.

There are stipulations that apply to Commercial Vehicles imposed by the Department of Transportation, not an insurance company, that exist for the safety of the general public. Not only are we expressly forbiden to carry firearms, there can be no alcohol in the cab of the truck whether 'sealed' or not and no medication whether legal or not that would comprimise the drivers judgement. Commercial Drivers are rightly held to a somewhat higher standard of accountability. The firearms restrictions do not apply to drivers of Armored Vehicles and certain civilian contract drivers to the US Gov't.

If this gentleman is genuinely employed as a Commercial Driver, he would know these things and accept his responsibility in a professional manner.

His post seemed to be unknowing of DOT regs and thus somewhat juvenile. Unfortunately, my response was also. I apologise for my choice of words, but not my intent.

I hope this will suffice.

salty.
 
different world..

It is indeed a different world after Sept 11 especially if you are driving a Commercial Vehicle.

Whether you have a CHL or not, I really wouldn't advise you to have a weapon on or about your person if you are making a delivery to a 'sensitive area'. How that 'sensitive area' is defined varies greatly.

I had to surrender my pocket knife to a security guard at a USPS facility in Austin prior to being allowed in the dock area. Had it been a firearm, I would have gone to prison, not just an overnighter in jail. I got my little folder back when the delivery was completed.

Whatever policy your employer or their bonding agent has in place, if you are driving a Commercial Vehicle, I'd leave the guns at home.

Increased security isn't just at airports.

salty.
 
It's really easy for me to say 'carry' when you're the one who risks not being able to feed his family.

But I agree with the above. It's your LIFE. If I were driving all over the East Coast, I would have a small pistol with me. Whatever my employer said.

Although, that would make traffic stops in anti-gun states rather nerve-wracking.
 
It's really easy for me to say 'carry' when you're the one who risks not being able to feed his family.

But I agree with the above. It's your LIFE. If I were driving all over the East Coast, I would have a small pistol with me. Whatever my employer said.

Although, that would make traffic stops in anti-gun states rather nerve-wracking.
 
It's really easy for me to say 'carry' when you're the one who risks not being able to feed his family.

But I agree with the above. It's your LIFE. If I were driving all over the East Coast, I would have a small pistol with me. Whatever my employer said.

Although, that would make traffic stops in anti-gun states rather nerve-wracking.
 
What was that, a mozambique? Two posts to the chest, one to the head? ;)

Mike
 
I don't think he or you, delivering 7500 gallon of gasoline to a convience store/gas station would want to get into an exchange of gunfire.
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9/11 changed everything. Truckers, especially those carrying fuel/hazardous materials are particularly at high risk and should as a matter of practice be armed to the teeth.
Do you know how much damage can be inflicted with a tanker load of gasoline? Think of what happened in Mexico City some years ago.
 
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