My gun saved me today.

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I didn't know what his intentions were so immediatly my hand went to the butt of my gun. I didn't need to pull it out though
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I can't even tell from your story whether the old dude even saw your gun. The way you described the incident it seemed like 1) your front tire got kicked, 2) you react by reaching towards your waist (assuming that is the region where your pistol was located) and simultaneously looking towards the direction of the old dude that kicked your bike, and 3) once eye contact is made the old guy apologizes and implies that he mistook you for somebody else.

I'm really, really struggling to see how your "gun saved you today." It seems like it either really was a mistake of identity or the old dude had ill intentions towards you until he noticed you took a combative posture and weren't going to be an easy victim. If the latter, I guess the gun may have indirectly saved you by giving you the confidence to fight back. But that would only be true if, without the gun, you would have been a sissy that rolled up into the fetal position on the ground and cried like a girl.

If what really happened was that you noticed the guy make eye contact with your gun and his behavior suddenly went from aggresive to passive, then you have a good case to make for your gun saving you.
 
he certainly does not have the point of reference of a 100 pound woman. He has also said that women fake being raped all the time and that women say "no" jus to play hard-to-get. My response was "is she playing hard-to-get when she points a gun at the guy and says 'I said NO motherf***er!!'?". I couldn't believe it. He actually said "yes". After hearing him say that, I stopped thinking he was just an idiot; I started thinking he was a real a**hole! I have contemplated starting a new thread just on the things this guy has said!!
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I'd wager money this guy is a rapist.
 
Way to stand firm on your part.

Not that you were wrong, but I also agree with the pepper spay move.

Rape is not violent????? Ignorance is not an excuse for anything! He's probably a rapist and a bully, he'll understand when the tables finally turn.
 
I've always felt really vulnerable when biking, running or walking. I've never had a problem because I usually do those things in my small hometown, but when I'm in a remote area I think about how I would be an easy target.
 
Sorry, wrong guy...
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Reminds me of when my buddy and I were leaving a gun show in Birmingham, Alabama, in his truck, a few years back.

We pulled up at a stop light one block from the show. A homeless looking beggar guy came up to the driver side window - we thought he was going to beg for change or offer to clean the truck's windshield.

He pulled a box knife from his coat pocket, brandished it in our direction and said, "Gimme your wallet!"

My buddy simpley and calmly pulled his driver door pocket gun, a S&W model 28 Highway Patrolman, and showed it to the bum/robber.

The badguy's eyes got real big, and then he got a look at my new-to-me gun show purchase, a Ruger Mini-14 stainless ranch with a 20 round magazine.

He said, "Wrong truck, man" - and ran across the street and kept on running.

The light turned green, my buddy and I looked at each other to confirm that had just happened and then we laughed for about an hour on the way home.
 
yeah i did have peper spray and looking back on it, that might have been a better choice, but it's easy to say that while your sitting safely behind a keyboard. It wasn't really a conciuse decision to go for my gun, it was an immediate reaction. i was attacked without warning and my instinct made my hand go for my gun that was on my waist while at the same time stopping my bike and turning to face the person who had attacked me. when he saw where my hand was he backed off. i dont know what would have happened otherwise. maybe he would have stabed me, maybe the exact same thing would have happened either way. who knows. Luckily I didn't have to find out.
 
"But that would only be true if, without the gun, you would have been a sissy that rolled up into the fetal position on the ground and cried like a girl."

lol i wouldn't have done that. i say the gun saved me because when he saw thats what my hand was on he backed off and put his hands up.
 
since there seems to be some interest from locals, ill tell you exactly where it happened. It was on third south and main street on the north west corner of the sidewalk. i had been coming from the east and it happened just as i crossed the street and reached the sidewalk, right by the trax station. it was in front of the fancy restaurant there that i don't remember the name of. start with an M?
 
lol i wouldn't have done that. i say the gun saved me because when he saw thats what my hand was on he backed off and put his hands up.
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Yeah, you should change the title of this thread to "My Gun Saved Me From Having to Kick Some Old Guy's Ass"
 
Let's see: You were about to pull a gun on an unarmed person who kicked your tire? The press won't pick up on it?

You are very lucky the press didn't pick up on it, you might be doing some time at the graybar hotel!

You had many options, including leaving the scene. In most states you are required to back off from an attack, not escalate it with deadly physical force. Also, he struck your bike, not you personally.

When you pull your gun, it's to be used to stop a deadly threat, not as a threat.

I find too many people here think their firearm is a shield, but use it and you may find otherwise. If you think pulling it was the right thing to do, you may want to take a course in the use of deadly physical force.

I think just about any LEO, myself included, would think you grossly over reacted.
 
Let's see: You were about to pull a gun on an unarmed person who kicked your tire? The press won't pick up on it?

You are very lucky the press didn't pick up on it, you might be doing some time at the graybar hotel!

You had many options, including leaving the scene. In most states you are required to back off from an attack, not escalate it with deadly physical force. Also, he struck your bike, not you personally.

When you pull your gun, it's to be used to stop a deadly threat, not as a threat.

I find too many people here think their firearm is a shield, but use it and you may find otherwise. If you think pulling it was the right thing to do, you may want to take a course in the use of deadly physical force.

I think just about any LEO, myself included, would think you grossly over reacted.
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Where did you read that he was "about to pull a gun on an unarmed person"? The OP was startled by an assault, and merely grabbed the handle of his pistol as an instinctive defensive reaction, in case he needed to draw it. That's a little different being "about to pull". Semantics, I know, but still.....

And where did you read the assailant was unarmed?

I can't even tell from your story whether the old dude even saw your gun. The way you described the incident it seemed like 1) your front tire got kicked, 2) you react by reaching towards your waist (assuming that is the region where your pistol was located) and simultaneously looking towards the direction of the old dude that kicked your bike, and 3) once eye contact is made the old guy apologizes and implies that he mistook you for somebody else.

I'm really, really struggling to see how your "gun saved you today." It seems like it either really was a mistake of identity or the old dude had ill intentions towards you until he noticed you took a combative posture and weren't going to be an easy victim. If the latter, I guess the gun may have indirectly saved you by giving you the confidence to fight back. But that would only be true if, without the gun, you would have been a sissy that rolled up into the fetal position on the ground and cried like a girl.

If what really happened was that you noticed the guy make eye contact with your gun and his behavior suddenly went from aggresive to passive, then you have a good case to make for your gun saving you.
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And who said he was an "old dude"? Grungy and old ain't the same thing.
 
I've been following this thread and am quite surprised that people feel that reaching for a gun because someone kicked your bike tire is an act to be applauded. No offense, but I guess that I am not that easily provoked. I sure would have asked him what the heck he thought he was doing, though. On the flipside, I am always aware of my surroundings and stay alert, but I also don't believe that everyone is out to do me harm. Maybe I don't have the right mindset and should be ready to pounce at any moment.

I look at drawing my firearm as a last resort when all other options have been exhausted. You may go through those options pretty quickly, but reaching for your weapon shouldn't be your first response. Maybe I'm naive.
 
When you pull your gun, it's to be used to stop a deadly threat, not as a threat.
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Agreed!

Do you feel the same way when LEOs engage in this behavior?

For example, drawing weapons on adolescents unprovoked during a drug raid at a highschool (specifically, Stratford High in SC, in 2003.)
 
Do you feel the same way when LEOs engage in this behavior?
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Yes, unless you are part of a three man Rapid Tactical Force at one of America's largest indoor retail shopping areas.
 
Look, I wasn't "about to pull a gun" my hand reached for my waist instinctivly. If you were a bike cop and someone attempted to knock you off your bike while you were riding down the street what would you have done? I didn't have time to leave the sceene. I didn't need to leave the scene. The whole thing lasted about 3 seconds. Also I never said the guy was old. He was maybe 35. I'm 25. I wouldn't have pulled the gun out unless I saw a weapon, or was losing badly in a fight and felt I was in danger of serious bodily harm or death. If i had time to think (And I didn't) my hand would have gone for the pepper spray instead. But once the guy put his hands up I certianly wouldn't have sprayed him. And by the way, I was aware of my surroundings, I was in a crowd of a dozen people when i saw one of them suddenly try to knock me off my bike. I always pay attention when im in an area like that.
 
All of us have different experiences. I have PTSD from getting beaten nearly to death by muggers so when someone attacks me suddenly like that, my adrenalin pumps and i go into high alert without any conciuse thought for maybe half a second or so and i just react. after that half second or so passes i can more acuratly gage the situation and see what sort of action is required. In this case no further action was required thankfully. maybe thats not the best thing. im sure some of you will put words in my mouth about how im just itching to pull the trigger, but im not. I got scared, I reacted, and thankfully nothing bad happened. there are few things that would make me WANT to shoot a person whether i was justified or not.
 
I wasn't neccessarily referring to you so much as the response from some of the others about "whipping his ass" and "good for you for being ready to draw your weapon". It just seems to me that there are a growing number of 'experiences' showing up here that don't really warrant the drawing of a weapon but a weapon is, or nearly is, drawn.

I figure that once it deteriorates to that level then someone is likely to get hurt seriously or killed, so, I want to be darn sure that I was justified in using my weapon.

Sorry to hear of your earlier experience. That would definately add to your alertness levels and having never been through that leaves me at somewhat of a disadvantage regarding how I would react to situations in the future.
 
I love the Monday morning quarterbacks who love to come out to pick apart everything that happened.

A few more posts and the attacker would have been in a wheel chair on oxygen and the OP would have shot him multiple times.

The OP said he put his hand to his gun; he never "pulled his gun". He says if he had time to think he would have gone for the pepper spray. So can any of you "experts" tell me that if the perpetrator had a weapon hidden that the OP had to wait to see him pull it first. In his situation at that time and that place and based upon his past experiences he "prepared" to take action.

And guess what, in SLC we did recently have an event where a person made threatening comments and gestures. He made a move toward his victim and made a move as if he did have a weapon. His intended target pulled his weapon and shot the threat, he did not wait to see if he was armed. In the end the threat did not have a knife or gun. But his actions, words and "posture" created the impression he did. The intended victim was not arrested and was not charged. Your state has its laws; other states have their own. I am glad I live here.

So, go ahead, tear this apart now.

http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=3906453
 
I would be willing to say that a high percentage of transients in SLC have weapons of one type or another, be it a screwdriver or a knife. I hope the man will think twice before he attemps to attack someone
 
"A few more posts and the attacker would have been in a wheel chair on oxygen and the OP would have shot him multiple times."

LMAO. yeah no kidding.
 
Instead of using your brain, or other alternative options, all you would be able to do is just shoot him.

And then go on the Internet and brag about it.

Cool?

NOT!

Yep, your gun saved you, your gun!

You must not have a CCW, because a CCW teaches you to avoid confrontational situations ("Save face") as such.
 
IMHO a lot of situations are assessed intuitively and "on the fly". That's part of the whole condition yellow/orange/tangerine/whatever homilies that keep getting posted. Or the "Gift of Fear", if you can get beyond Gavin deBecker's anti-gun bias.

Sometimes you just get a really scary vibe from someone. Their body language, lack of expression, what have you.

Although I think it is reasonable to question the paranoia of some folks (e.g. the people who shoot kids on Halloween come to mind), I think it's also reasonable to give the OP some benefit of the doubt here.

If I had to guess, I'd guess it went down about how he described. Target of opportunity...
 
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