My New Rule (Thanks To Eric F)

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Erics thread about his close call was one too many really bad stories I've read on this forum that star W/ " I handed him my gun" & ended W/ someone either almost getting shot or mis-handling/ damaging someone's 2K$ Kimber.

I AM DONE:
From now on I don't hand ANY of my guns to ANYONE who isn't my wife or a police officer duly authorized to disarm me ( temporarily) under Colorado law and MAYBE my grandson when he's old enough to learn to shoot.

Does anyone think that's over the top?

Does anyone else here follow a similar rule?
 
I AM DONE:
From now on I don't hand ANY of my guns to ANYONE who isn't my wife or a police officer duly authorized to disarm me ( temporarily) under Colorado law and MAYBE my grandson when he's old enough to learn to shoot.

Does anyone think that's over the top?

Does anyone else here follow a similar rule?

Great policy its been pretty much my policy since my close call. I omit the officer part they are most unwelcome to have my gun, I have seen too many guns mishandled by them too. I add my gunsmith and my shooting mentor.
 
My CZ 97B has a damaged internal part, I think it's the sear, because it was out of my hands for not more than thirty seconds. that's my new policy as well.

side note- Anyone in Maine know how to work with CZs or similiar?
 
The officer part isn't by choice I'm required to surender my piece per Colorado Law, haven't needed a gunsmith yet
 
I know law enforcement works the same around here too but that does not mean we have to like it.
 
I think it over the top. What if you and a buddy go shooting and you want his opinion on how a certain gun shoots?

What if you are crossing a fence while hunting with a friend? Its safer to hand the gun to your friend before crossing the fence.

I agree that a lot of accidents happen when there are two people involved. Usually one person hands his friend a gun after he checked that it was unloaded expecting that when he gets it back it will still be unloaded, but sometimes the friend puts the mag back in or something.

I think a better rule for when handling a gun amongst more than one person (including your wife and police officers) is to always check the status of the gun with EVERY EXCHANGE of hands, whether its you to your friend, or your friend back to you!
 
I don't hunt and I don't shoot W/ "buddies" I carry my gun for self defense and I don't make it widely known that I own one ( or more).

otherwise your suggestion has merit it just doesn't apply in my case
 
I think it's over the top.

If you want to avoid situations like the one you are freaked out by, then simply require the person to give you the gun before you give them the magazine. Let them handle the gun, or the magazine, just not both at the same time. Problem solved.
 
For those of us who actively work to introduce new people to firearms and the shooting sports, that rule won't work.

Only way to get folks familiar with firearms is to (1) teach them the basic safety rules; (2) let them know what they may and may not do when handling a particular firearm (i.e, dry-firing, releasing the slide with the slide stop, etc.); and finally, (3) letting them handle firearms with the basic goal of having them become familiar with the operating and handling characteristics of the particular platform.

Some of us desire that more and more folks will become familiar with guns, rather than thinking that gun-owners believe that their guns are safely handled only in their own hands ...
 
treo said:
From now on I don't hand ANY of my guns to ANYONE who isn't my wife or a police officer duly authorized to disarm me ( temporarily) under Colorado law and MAYBE my grandson when he's old enough to learn to shoot.
A bit over the top. More like pendulum effect. More than necessary but far safer than not. :)

Grizfire said:
I think a better rule for when handling a gun amongst more than one person (including your wife and police officers) is to always check the status of the gun with EVERY EXCHANGE of hands, whether its you to your friend, or your friend back to you!
My choice also. If the friend is offended, they are not much of a friend. :rolleyes:

I'll not go into full details but I was attempting to teach that to one of my students and she was reluctant to accept the validity. It took only a few minutes before her daughter got her attention (this was the at home and prior to going to the range session). I quickly exchanged the empty mag for one that was not empty and when her attention came back I handed her the gun. When she didn't immediately check to see if it was loaded I raised that point again. Her look could have frozen water, but she did check the gun AND had two eyes that were almost the size of saucers. "HOW DID THAT HAPPEN?" I smiled and said "That's why you check the gun EVERY time."
- - - true example.
 
I remember a thread not too long back about a guy who handed his 2K (did you think I just made that up?) Kimber to a friend of a girlfriend and SPECIFICALLY asked him not to dry fire it. The guy not only did so immediately ( while pointing the gun directly at the owners chest) but got offended when the guy reminded him of the request and took the gun away. I can think of FOUR people ( other than my wife) on the planet I would trust enough to go shooting W/ or allow to handle any of my fire arms other than that.......not gonna happen

But thanks for the input & the well thought out reasoning behind it
 
I can think of FOUR people ( other than my wife) on the planet I would trust enough to go shooting W/ or allow to handle any of my fire arms other than that.......not gonna happen

You either need to learn to be more trusting, or find more trustworthy company.
 
Myself, I see 'handing a gun over' to someone in the same light as gun control. If the person can be trusted not to misuse the priviledge of my trust I'd have problem none with giving them my firearm. If I didn't trust them they have business none being around me in the first place.

Selena
 
I generally give other firearm owners more credibility as a general policy because they probably feel the same way about people with no experience messing with their firearms.

If everyone was like that on the range, then this nice marine I bumped into at the firing line wouldn't have let me try out his Barrett M468, and I wouldn't get to educate others that inquire on my firearms.

Of course, this is all a matter of risk assessment. There will be zero risk to you if you don't let anyone touch your firearms. However, I've met some very nice and interesting folks at the range that have let me shoot their babies and I've let several people try out my stuff.
 
if I had a $2k gun, I probably wouldn't let anybody else touch it either. Can't blame you on that one. I do like taking friends out shooting though, and I trust them enough to not damage anything.

As far as the safety issue... my friends/family know the rules before they can touch. If you come across somebody violating rules, it's time for some safety education. My wife pointed my gun at me once just playing around... notice I said once. She got the lecture and is much safer now.

In the end, it's your guns so it's your rules.
 
Agree that it is "over the top." When shooting with somone else or a good friend wants to try one of my guns, I am not worried about it.
But to each his own.

I am only concerned about the safety issue, and not my guns per se. I don't value my guns more than friendships. That is not to say I don't use some judgment. My friends are not likely to go out and rob a bank. I don't have that kind of friend.

Best,
Jerry
 
I would find such a rule ridiculous. But then, I make it a point not to hang out with, befriend, or shoot with people to whom I wouldn't trust giving a firearm.

I agree with this statement completely. I have probably ten guys that I will let handle my guns, and my most common shooting buddies don't even have to ask. On occasion, I have shot with groups of new shooters, and I have guns that I will let them use, and guns that I won't, but that isn't based on value or persnicketyness as much as common sense. I have a couple "spare" .22 pistols and rifles, and it is much cheaper for a new shooter to bang away with those than it is my AR, or one of my .45s. If general safety rules are followed, they can handle my stuff all they want. If something happens to break, well, 99% of the time it's cheap and easy to fix. I will say that I am a cold-hearted bastard is someone is unsafe with my stuff or around me. It's a privilege to handle my stuff, not a right. My two main shooting buddies are the only ones that basically have unrestricted access to what I bring to the range, because I know neither one is going to goof around.

That being said, your clearly a different guy than me, and you have different expectations. I carry concealed, and I have said repeatedly I could care less who knows it. Right there, that shows clear differences in points of view. I will talk about guns anytime, anyplace with anybody. If someones want to know what I have, I will enthusiastically talk in general terms about my military rifle collection or my pistols or whatever they seem to be interested in. But, thats just me. Some guys like to be quieter about it, some guys like to yak about it. In the end, it's your property and you can restrict access to it as you see fit. I don't let but one other person touch my guitar for pretty much the same reasons you don't want someone touching your guns (minus the chance of accidental death, lol), so I can dig it.
 
Horses for courses.

I've exchanged a few shots out of one of my guns for a few shots out of someone else's at the range several times, and don't yet have reason to regret it. Sometimes it's been someone with whom I have already a nodding acquaintance, other times someone who I've never seen before.

There are lots of people I've seen at the range to whom I would *not* feel comfortable handing a gun -- like the brass-scrounger and sometimes shooter who swept me with his .44. He's been shooting for longer than I've been alive, I know, but getting swept reminds me that I don't want him to be shooting after I'm dead :)

But if I've been shooting next to someone for an hour and am comfortable with the way they handle themselves (and no spider sense saying "this guy, with his 10 year old along whom he is teaching carefully to shoot, is also about to hold me up at gunpoint."), then I have no problem with it.

timothy
 
I would trust about 100 people I know to handle my guns. The one's I wouldn't trust would never ask to handle one, because they have no interest in firearms. If they did have an interest in firearms I would talk to them about safety, bring them to the range a few times, and then I would trust them to handle my guns.

I try not to associate with people I don't trust.

Like others mentioned, a lot of people have shot my guns at the range and in exchange I've gotten to shoot some really neat guns that I didn't own.
 
Way over the top for me.

I've taken several people shooting for their first time. None of them had their own guns. How else are we supposed to get new people interested and involved in shooting...?
 
New Shooters

Hard to teach new shooters if you don't hand over the gun.

On the other hand, I try not to teach shooting to psychos.
 
That's just about the worst rule I ever heard of. Just today I got the chance to take a lawyer shooting, never fired a gun before.

How would you propose I introduce him to shooting if he can't shoot one of my guns? By the way, looks like he is a convert now so it was worth the risk of letting someone touch my guns.
 
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