My wife wants to shoot with one of my guns.

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LaVere

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I have a SA 1911 45acp
Sig P-229 40SW
and a Kahr 40SW

The grip is to big on the sig
I think the grip on the 1911 would be just right but she has not tried it.
Normally I practice with Whitebox 230 gr. full metal jacket winchester.

Is there a round for the 45 acp that would have less recoil for her to practice with?
If she like the 1911 I'll just let her use it. If not, I'll look to buy a new gun.
I currently use only .40 SW and 45 acp I would prefer NOT get another caliber ie 9mm. But if I must I will.

Thanks for your thoughts

Oh yes, the Kahr sorry that is not an option at this time that's my 24/7 piece
 
185 grain loads at standard velocity usually have less recoil than the heavier 230 grain loads(.45 ACP).

If you reload you own ammo, you should be able to whip up a light load, change the recoil spring(go lighter), and have a gun that's very pleasant for her to shoot. Just remember to put the heavier recoil spring back in before shooting 230 grain ammo or hot loads.

If you're looking to buy another gun, look at all steel, full size 9mm's. These generally have a fairly light recoil spring and are easier for women to operate. Otherwise, I suggest a 4" revolver in .38 special, such as a model 10 S&W.
 
Don't let her, it could cause cracks, dents and even ricochets. Find a proper paper target and backstop instead.
 
Unfortunately, you'll have to tell her that these guns won't work for her- you'll have to buy a new one.

Oh well....
 
If the gun fits her properly (see corneredcat.com) recoil usually isn't as much as a problem as most folks assume it will be.

The best thing is to find out what points the most naturally for her and then use that. It may not even be a gun you own (oh darn), but one of the three will be closer to what fits and that's what would be the most enjoyable. She may want to go to the shop and find what does fit her if she's interested in getting the best fit for her gun.

Reduce power ammunition can enhance the fun of early shooting experiences so look for light target ammo in whatever she picks.
 
I've taken loads of people shooting for the first time. It is one of the reasons I own a .22.

However most of them enjoy shooting the .45ACP 1911 A1 Commander I have.

I don't run very hot loads, they are mostly low level 185 grain SWC's but I ran out of those heads so the last couple of times they have been my IDPA 210grain SWC at 850fps. None of them have complained about the recoil. When I started it was 230grain FMJ only. Hell even my mom who's 60 didn't mind launching 230 grains of FMJ downrange for the first time.

I'd strongly suggest starting them off on that. Especially as you can then introduce them to other calibers with saying like "It won't kick as much as the .45 did". Which is generally true.

Personally I love the grip and trigger action of a 229, but stick with the single action .45ACP. It's the best beginers weapon around, IMHO.

KBK
 
Thank you all again for your replies.
My wife had her own 22 Ruger auto with bull barrel. We both had Ruger 22 and took shooting classes and shot weekly for about 2 years. After about 5 or 6 years of not shooting she said I should sell or trade it in. Think(Sig P-229) here.
Now she want to shoot again she just told me don't worry about the recoil so much she just want it to fit her small hands. For reference I am 66 and she is ahhh well I can't say ;) but subtract -4.
 
LaVere,
My wife is 5ft and 100lb (petite) and really likes shooting my SIG 220 (.45). I bought her a SIG 225 (9mm) and she doesn't really care for it. The 220 has Hogue grips which make it even more comfortable. I will add that she fires it SA since she has a hard time pulling the trigger for a DA first shot.

:)
 
Get her her own gun, maybe a Sig P239 or a CZ82/83 or even a small frame revolver in 32H&R mag.

None of your guns seem to be what she may want.
 
You're going to be buying a new gun, either for her or for you to replace the one she took.

My wife and I were at the range 2 months ago and she decided to try out my snubbie ruger security six...suffice to say she liked it...A LOT:( She travels out of town overnight on business ~once a month, both times she took the Six!
 
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You might think the grip is to big for her, but she may like it that way. Don't presume to know what she will like before she tries it.

As a group, why do we men assume that women can't handle recoil? I mean, are we so much more manly and rugged that only we can handle it? I don't think most women are the delicate flowers that we assume that they are. For that matter, my wife could shoot 3 1/2 Mag shells, while I really can't take them. Barring something like arthritis, there isn't any particular reason that women can't shoot any gun that a man can.
 
if she wants to try them, let her.

None of these guns are painful in their recoil, like a .44 mag snubby would be, so I don't see a problem.

If she complains about the recoil, go find a .22 and work her up.

Just make sure her thumb is out of the way, she has a good enough grip that she won't drop it, and that she has a large target, up close.
 
I think you are definitely going to be buying a new gun for her. I personally can't get my wife to shoot anything but a .22
 
Since she's not an inexperienced shooter let her try them all if she wants to.

If she doesn't like any of them take her to the gun store and get out of her way while she picks one she like. :D
 
As a group, why do we men assume that women can't handle recoil? I mean, are we so much more manly and rugged that only we can handle it? I don't think most women are the delicate flowers that we assume that they are. For that matter, my wife could shoot 3 1/2 Mag shells, while I really can't take them. Barring something like arthritis, there isn't any particular reason that women can't shoot any gun that a man can.

In my experience, women don't like recoil one bit. My wife hates my 1911 due to the recoil, same thing with my .45 Colt chambered blackhawk and my M29. She doesn't like .357 magnums either. Rifles and shotguns are the same story. I have to be very careful to find something that won't recoil much when we go looking for firearms for her. She picks her own guns out, with recommendations from me based on what I know to be her recoil tolerance. I don't remember her ever shooting a shotgun, but her deer rifles are a Marlin 1894CP in .357, and a Remington 700 in .243.

Her stepsister wanted a house gun not long ago, and didn't have much free money so I volunteered to help her find something and cover the cost. She came out and fired 9 mil, .38 special, and .45 ACP handguns. She didn't like any of them(mostly because of recoil, new shooter) and ended up choosing a 20 gauge pump shotgun since it was easier to hit with. She didn't like the recoil from it either, but felt more confident with it than a handgun.

I never give +p or heavy loads to new shooters, or women, unless they request it. I've yet to see one on a range, or meet one at a gun forum group shoot, that asked for the heavy loads.
 
I never give +p or heavy loads to new shooters, or women, unless they request it. I've yet to see one on a range, or meet one at a gun forum group shoot, that asked for the heavy loads.

Well, I never give +p to anyone, lol.

That your wife doesn't like it doesn't mean that women as a group need it. There are plenty of guys out there that are just as recoil sensitive as we presume all women to be. I mean, there are guys that can shoot a .500 S&W and find it enjoyable. I am not one of them, and I don't consider myself to be recoil sensitive at all.

I think as a general rule of thumb, the gun itself has more bearing on the situation than the cartridge does. I can shoot .357's all day from my little Taurus 605. I shot one of those airweight Ti/Scandium S&W .357's, and I assure you that I will never repeat the experience again. This is just as true of women as it is anyone else.

On a broader scale, I think this attitude is one reason why more women don't shoot. Looked at from the outside, we are a bunch of chest-thumpers that want to coddle women to the point of making them look as if they have some sort of mental deficiency. Don't believe me? Look at all the threads in which some dude is talking about how he is going to pick out a gun, tell her what to buy, try to find something pink or any of the other well-meaning, but ultimately insulting things that we do towards women when it comes to guns. How would you like it if you went into a gunstore, excited about getting your first gun, and your wife or girlfriend essentially told you what you were going to buy without any real concern towards what you may or may not want because of some perceived superiority when it comes to shooting? Chicks are perfectly capable of figuring out what they want through trial and error and comparison just as well as we are, dudes.

I, for one, don't buy into that brand of BS. There is no physical reason that a woman can't be every bit as good at shooting as a man. If a woman wants to shoot with me, she should expect to be treated exactly as I would treat anyone else. That doesn't mean that I am going to throw someone into the deep end of the pool and just say "Swim or die", but it does mean that I am not going to fawn and coddle and act like it is a major accomplishment that a female actually managed to pull a trigger without getting a case of the vapors and fainting dead away.
 
Since she's not inexperienced, bring them all to the range and let her try each one. If she doesn't like any of them, off to the gun store! Best thing to do is to let her decide. Nothing wrong with showing her a few she might like and if it's the grip she's concerned with (and not the recoil) that's easy to pick up a few guns and see which feels good.
 
+1 with flynnguy

Also agree with 185 gr semi wadcutters. Experienced shooter or not they are accurate, quieter and easier on the shooter than 230 gr anything. The point is fun not to see how much hair she has on her chest. I'm built like a gorilla, an old white haired gorilla now but still I have lots of 230 grain bullets down range and when I had a chance to shoot the lighter bullets I took it. the smaller groups were more fun than being able to knock down a tree.
 
That your wife doesn't like it doesn't mean that women as a group need it. There are plenty of guys out there that are just as recoil sensitive as we presume all women to be. I mean, there are guys that can shoot a .500 S&W and find it enjoyable. I am not one of them, and I don't consider myself to be recoil sensitive at all.

I never said it did, I said in my experience, which isn't limited to my wife and my sister in law. My mother doesn't like recoil, nor do either of my mother in laws--and see below.

I've seen women shoot 230 grain 45 ACP out of a 1911 platform handgun, and do it quite poorly. Think buckshot patterns rather than groups----at 3 yards. I've seen other women shoot 40s and 45s well enough, but they quickly switched back to 9mm or another smaller caliber with lighter recoil--in near identical guns such as Glunks. I find that quite informative.

I think as a general rule of thumb, the gun itself has more bearing on the situation than the cartridge does. I can shoot .357's all day from my little Taurus 605. I shot one of those airweight Ti/Scandium S&W .357's, and I assure you that I will never repeat the experience again. This is just as true of women as it is anyone else.

I agree with that first sentence and last sentence, to a point. Short of going to gargantuan for caliber size guns such as the Desert Eagle or Super Redhawk, a .44 magnum isn't going to be pleasant to shoot, and even then the noise becomes a problem. With identical loads my 6 pound .308 is far less pleasant to shoot than my ten pound .308. Same goes for my 4" M28 in comparison to one of my 4" K frame magnums.

On a broader scale, I think this attitude is one reason why more women don't shoot. Looked at from the outside, we are a bunch of chest-thumpers that want to coddle women to the point of making them look as if they have some sort of mental deficiency. Don't believe me? Look at all the threads in which some dude is talking about how he is going to pick out a gun, tell her what to buy, try to find something pink or any of the other well-meaning, but ultimately insulting things that we do towards women when it comes to guns. How would you like it if you went into a gunstore, excited about getting your first gun, and your wife or girlfriend essentially told you what you were going to buy without any real concern towards what you may or may not want because of some perceived superiority when it comes to shooting? Chicks are perfectly capable of figuring out what they want through trial and error and comparison just as well as we are, dudes.

I think you're half right. I see many people attempting to shove guns at their wife/girlfriend without regard to how it fits her, and totally without her input. I also see less than intelligent individuals who put a .44 magnum in their wife/girlfriends hands for her very first go round on the handgun range. Neither of those two situations is a good thing. I have always, no matter the gender, made it a point to say that the firearm needs to fit the person who will be shooting it.

I've NEVER said that ANYONE shouldn't experiment to find what they like and can handle. I'm exactly the opposite in fact, however, it's always a better idea to start out small and then work up. I wouldn't start a new handgun shooter on my 1400 fps .45 Colt loads, just like I wouldn't start a new rifle shooter on a .375 H&H. For someone that has experience, but possibly not lots of experience, I'm going to put a variety of firearms in front of them along with ammunition for each one.

I, for one, don't buy into that brand of BS. There is no physical reason that a woman can't be every bit as good at shooting as a man. If a woman wants to shoot with me, she should expect to be treated exactly as I would treat anyone else. That doesn't mean that I am going to throw someone into the deep end of the pool and just say "Swim or die", but it does mean that I am not going to fawn and coddle and act like it is a major accomplishment that a female actually managed to pull a trigger without getting a case of the vapors and fainting dead away.

Whatever "BS" you think I've attempted to sell, I would suggest taking a look at exactly what I've pointed out. I would further suggest taking a step back from the computer to contemplate that your assumptions may not be correct. I believe you'll also find me repeatedly posting in various places that my wife picks her own guns out. ;)

Most women make better students and learn faster than their male counterparts--due to the lack of "I know it all attitude". The first time my wife shot my 6" S&W 19, she did so double action at 25 yards and shot better than I did. :eek: In general, women are probably better shots than men, probably due to what I pointed out in the first sentence of this paragraph.
 
My wife likes her .45 Stainless commander better than any of my other autos. FWIW. She's also deadly with my smith model 10. I took her shooting when we were dating and the first time she plugged a can at 25 feet with that I knew I was in love. :D
 
Whatever "BS" you think I've attempted to sell, I would suggest taking a look at exactly what I've pointed out. I would further suggest taking a step back from the computer to contemplate that your assumptions may not be correct. I believe you'll also find me repeatedly posting in various places that my wife picks her own guns out.

I honestly wasn't responding to anything you said once I started the third paragraph, although I can see how you might have thought that. Sorry about that, man.

That being said, my experience has proven time and again that women will generally shoot pretty well with anything that you hand to them, provided that they have an accurate expectation of whats going to happen, which is more or less true of men as well. Accurate being the key. If you undersell it, the recoil is going to be overly magnified, if you oversell it, there is going to be too much fear involved for anything approaching decent shooting to happen. In fact, having taught a few women how to shoot and in watching others do the same, I realized that overselling the recoil was actually a bigger problem than anything else, and generally resulted in the shotgun patterns you described. Think back, and perhaps you may find that to be the case with the ladies in your life. Maybe not, but honestly think back to what you said and you might find that you freaked them out before the first shot was ever fired.

In as much as teaching a new shooter is concerned, I am like anyone else: I start them out with a .22, then move up to 9mm/.38spl and after that they can move up, stay the same, or go down. I didn't really touch on that as I didn't feel it was germaine to my manifesto, but common sense is obviously needed. I know, for instance, that my mother isn't going to ever shoot something more powerful than a .38spl, nor should she on account of arthritis. Plus, my mom is 64 years old, so at this point, the damage that recoil would cause to her joints isn't going to heal up as quick or as well. Luckily (or unluckily, depending on how you look at it, I guess) she rarely shoots a pistol and in fact I have been trying pretty hard to get her out shooting period.
 
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