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Arkansas Sportsman : Mystery of missing Wal-Mart firearms continues
Bryan Hendricks

As of March, Wal-Mart, the world’s largest retailer, no longer sells firearms in about 1,000 of its stores nationwide.

One of those “firearms free” zones is the new Wal-Mart Supercenter in Sheridan, a small town located in the heart of Arkansas’ deer hunting country.
I visited the Sheridan Wal-Mart recently, and as always, stopped by the sporting goods department. No shotguns or rifles were for sale, and no display racks were present. Ammunition, however, was abundant.

An associate at the store informed me of this new policy. This person said that the Sheridan Wal-Mart sold more than $47,000 worth of firearms in 2005, but that the federal government had levied substantial fines on the company because of improperly completed federal firearms transfer forms. Anyone who buys a firearm from a licensed dealer must fill out the familiar “yellow form” and submit to a background check before the seller can transfer the firearm to the buyer. The official reason firearm sales would be discontinued, my source said, is because firearms are “not in high demand among the customers in that community.”

“Firearms are not in demand in Sheridan, Arkansas?” I asked. “This community lives and breathes hunting.”

My source shrugged and said, “You’re preaching to the choir. Thing is, all they’re doing is funneling those customers to other stores in Little Rock, Benton or Hot Springs.”

In other words, Wal-Mart has made its Sheridan store irrelevant to a significant portion of its customers in that community.

To get more information, I called Jolanda Stewart, a spokesman at Wal-Mart’s Corporate Communications department in Bentonville.

“We are scaling back in communities where that particular product is not relevant,” Stewart said.

“How did Wal-Mart determine that rifles and shotguns are not relevant in a community like Sheridan, where hunting is an integral part of the community’s identity?” I asked.

“Who are you, and who do you write for again?” she said. “Did you get your information from a manager?”

I made two other phone calls to Wal-Mart’s corporate headquarters that day, but neither was returned.

My next call was to the National Shooting Sports Foundation, where I talked to Christopher Dolnack, senior vice president of communications. Dolnack said he had heard that firearms were no longer available at some stores, but that he wasn’t aware of a formal change in company policy to
that effect.

“One thing about Wal-Mart is that they’re known for being nimble,” Dolnack said. “If they decide to implement any decision nationwide, they would do it very quickly. I’m not aware of any decision to exit the firearms category nationwide, but I am aware that a number of stores nationwide no longer offer firearms.”

My next call was to the National Rifle Association, where I spoke with Andrew Arulanandam, director of public affairs. He had not heard of this development, but he was very curious. He said he would circulate an email around the NRA and see if there was a response. A couple of hours later, he called and gave me the phone number of Ray Bracy, Wal-Mart’s vice president of corporate affairs. “He’s very eager to talk to you,” Arulanandam said.

“There’s nothing to that rumor [that Wal-Mart is exiting the firearms business],” Bracy said. “There’s a slight misunderstanding in this area. If you go to stores around the country, you’ll see that we are trying to make them stores of the community, where merchandise is more appropriate and relevant to the local community. Some stores are not selling guns. Consumers are not buying guns in relation to floor space and the layout of the floor. It’s not just guns, but crafts and arts materials.”

In all Wal-Mart stores, firearms are displayed either in a small rack behind the sporting goods counter, or in two rotating, Plexiglass kiosks on both sides of the sporting goods counter. The rack is elevated and occupies no floor space. The kiosks are only about 3 feet in diameter, so they have a very small footprint.

“In urban stores and suburban stores across the U.S., the volume of guns [sold] is nonexistent or negligible,” Bracy said, “so we’ll be moving [guns] out of those stores.”

Sheridan is a small, rural town, though. It is neither urban nor suburban by any definition.

“I’m not familiar about the store in Sheridan,” Bracy said. “One of the things we’re going through in determining what is right for the community, if that’s deer country and local shoppers depend on them, we’ll carry them. That is our intent.”

What role do “yellow form” compliance issues play in such decisions?

“I’m not sure I can talk to specifics of individual stores, but we do have situations where they have not complied,” Bracy said. “We’re working hard on systems approaches, to foolproof that system so we can comply.”

My core question is whether Wal-Mart has succumbed to pressure from gun-control or firearms abolition advocates.

“There is no ideological change [in corporate philosophy],” Bracy said. “We know the core of our customers are outdoorsmen, and we’re going to continue to serve those people.”

Just not in Sheridan.

http://www.ardemgaz.com/ShowStoryTemplate.asp?Path=ArDemocrat/2006/04/09&ID=Ar04200&Section=Sports
 
My core question is whether Wal-Mart has succumbed to pressure from gun-control or firearms abolition advocates.

I don't see any sign outside Wal Mart that says "Gun Store".

Even in the areas where they still sell firearms, can they really be that much of a contributor to the corporations bottom line as compared to other items?

Is that revenue/profit worth the potential for fines etc levied against the corporation?

$47,000 worth of firearms in 2005

What is the profit margin here? What is the percentage of profits from guns in relation to all the other things that same store sold; toilet paper, tv's cd's, underwear.

Wal Mart is a big target for litigation as well as the ATF enforcement folks.

It takes a better employee to properly sell firearms and keep the paperwork straight than it does to stock the shelves with toilet paper. Should the corporation hire special clerks to work the firearms desk? Those would need higher salaries, then you have the current employees filing grievances because THEY didn't get a raise.

At the end of the day, as a corporation, you have to decide if the potential risks of selling ANY item are outweighed by the profits you can make on that item.

I just don't see a political motivation here, purely money.
 
The WalMart in Kerrville TX, just remodeled the store and did away with the firearm sales. Kerrville is in the heart of the Texas hill country, surrounded by some of the finest white-tail deer and exotic game hunting in the United States. Makes me wonder about corporate policy too. I read on various forums about WalMart removing the firearms from their stores all over the US, I find the above answer hard to believe.
 
I was talking to the nice lady who runs the South Post Oak @ 610 South Walmart (Houston, Tx) yesterday. She said that the guns are going away (and having a clearance sale;) ) very soon.
 
The story I got here in Vancouver, WA was that they are stopping at some of the local stores because they do not want to pay the cost of keeping employees that can actually do the paperwork and meet the background check requirement to sell the firearms.
 
I did a survey of the five Wal-Mart stores in my area and found this:

Around here (Western Mass) this is what the Wal-Marts are doing:

Chicopee - According to several clerks they (this store, about one year old) lost their license to sell ammo and will not be able to get it back.

Springfield - No firearms/ammo.

Hadley - Spotty ammo selection, hard to find a clerk in that area.

Westfield - Good (for Walmart) ammo selection. They did post a sign that as of 3-9-06 they would no longer sell firearms. But according to the clerk he thinks they are going to continue selling ammo.

Northampton - Fair ammo selection, hidden on shelving below the clerk's position so it's hard to see what they have. I rate it fair only because they usually have Winchester WB 9mm and .45ACP.

I personally think that Wal-Mart (in this area at least) does not see itself as a gun store and probably does not want to put the effort into developing the expertise to be such. Other than the Westfield store above I have seldom found a knowledgeable person manning the ammo counters.
 
Parsons, KS has a new Walmart Supercenter. The guns in the old Walmart store
did not make the journey across town to the new store. When I asked the veteran and knowledgeable clerk about this he replied it was corporate policy decision. They still have ammo and even put it on a shelf behind the counter where you can see it. Even a fair selection. Only place I know that carries ammo in town. Looks to me like guns are going away in all Walmarts, they just aren't ready to admit it. :uhoh: :uhoh: -Don
 
How many guns have I bought from Wal- Mart?...None.
How much ammo have I bought from Wal-Mart?...very little.
What have I bought from Wal-Mart Sporting goods?...the occasional cleaning stuff, and 1 package of sling swivels.

But maybe I should watch for sales...

I have often found it strange that they sell guns and ammo in the same store with jewelry and prescription drugs.:uhoh:
 
they just stopped selling guns here in Fredonia NY, although they still were a couple of weeks ago in Hornell, well I'll find out friday if they still carry them there, although my money is on that they don't
 
I have bought one firearm from Wal-Mart, and I buy much (if not all) of my ammo from them. Gun stores close to me don't really bother stocking much of a selection of ammo, and by the time I buy a gun, I have done so much research on them that whatever the gun store guys say is pretty much irrelevant. I would buy more guns from them, but they sell mainly hunting guns, and with the possible exception of a O/U shotgun for skeet, I don't have any potential purchases along those lines. It isn't always convenient, but a less expensive gun means more money for ammo.

I know some of you hate the fact that Wal-Mart sells guns, but to me, the fact that they sell and display them means that guns are visible to non-firearm people, and thus keep them (and us) from being further marginalized. If guns disappear from Wal-Mart, their lack will reinforce the idea that they are evil items that must be kept hidden, or ultimately banned.

You don't need to buy all your guns from Wal-Mart, but maybe buying just one there will keep us looking more mainstream.
 
If a store has stopped selling guns due to BATFE fines for paperwork issues, then it has had to succumb to anti-gun forces. For who does BATFE represent, after all?
 
It takes a better employee to properly sell firearms and keep the paperwork straight than it does to stock the shelves with toilet paper. Should the corporation hire special clerks to work the firearms desk? Those would need higher salaries, then you have the current employees filing grievances because THEY didn't get a raise.

I actually do make more money then other clerks in the store for that exact reason.
 
Thread title is very misleading. Should have read 'withdrawn' or 'removed from stock'.
Using 'missing' infers stolen, or Walmart losing track of their inventory.
 
Firearms are still being sold at every walmart I've seen here in Vegas.

several hundred miles from anything really worth shooting. :rolleyes:
Not that I'm complaining, but its just a little odd. I've never actually bought a gun from wally world anyhow.
 
"As California goes, so goes the rest of the country.."
Not always true, but the first I heard of Wal-Mart discontinuing firearms sales was several years ago out here in CA. The word was one or more stores got caught by the BATFE selling to folks who shouldn't have been sold to. Wal-Mart at first announced that guns sales would be on hold pending the retraining of their sporting dept. staff in proper gun-sales procedures. And then they extended the hold. Finally, they announced that they would no longer sell firearms at all. Now that decision has spread throughout the country.
I must admit, I did buy a rifle at Wal-Mart for the sheer novelty and delight of it.
Hmmm...cat food, feminine products and...oooh! A Remington 7400 .30-06!
 
Here's the thing...Wal-Mart has a very successful business model. I find it very very hard to believe that if they were actually making money on gun sales that they would be so quick to phase them out. My guess as to what was going on is this: their sales were mediocre and their profit margin was not enough to justify the specifically-trained associates and in-store infrastructure (I'm sure they have to keep them locked up "in the back", and those would be some impressive safes), insurance, and 'loss' of floor-space required to stay in the gun business.

The other options would be "the great anti-gun conspiracy" striking again (that Sam Walton, what a commie!), or Wal-Mart completely losing it's collective mind in regards to sales and marketing. Could they sell guns and make a nice profit doing it? Yes, but it would require money and effort, and they have limited reserves of both...I'll bet you a box of ammo that they figured they could make more money selling something else.

This is not exactly a bad thing- it is a case of the Little Guy (the local gun store) probably being able to do a better job of something than the Big Guy.

Mike

PS Remember, I'm speaking of the chain as a whole, here. I understand the whole "whaddayamean you can't sell rifles in deer country????" argument, but I'm pretty darned sure that if they were selling like hotcakes the management would not be swift to gore the cash cow. Capitalism is elegant like that...things that work tend to remain while things that don't get replaced...that, or your business goes under, and Wal-Mart ain't going under.
 
Pittsburg, Kansas Wal-Mart Supercenter still has guns. The ammo (non-shotgun) is below the counter and hard to see.
 
Thread title is very misleading. Should have read 'withdrawn' or 'removed from stock'.
Using 'missing' infers stolen, or Walmart losing track of their inventory.

Warning, nit-pick police on the way.

Actually, the word in the title implies. You infer that about the title.
 
Here is the thing,,,,
Was there a gun shop. and I mean a REAL gun store, in Sheridan or within ten miles of Sheridan before the Wal-Mart showed up??
Is there a gun shop in or near Sheridan now??

My point is that if the wallyworld didn't run any shops out of business and $47,000 gross was all they accomplished by offering firearms then I can see why they discontinued that particular item in that particular area.
If they ran a successful shop, or shops, out of business and then only accomplished $47,000 in gross sales because the store only offered mediocre products that few customers wanted to buy or own, then this little tale just gives me more fuel for why I don't spend my money in any Wal-Mart.
 
Have only purchased ammunition at Wal-Mart a few times. When I did (at the Wal-Mar in Kerrville, Tejas) I asked for ".45 ball", the guy blinked at me as if I was speaking Sanskrit or Latin.:uhoh: I bought ammo at Broken Arrow on 27 from then on.

Let's hope others swiftly fill the void, and that those others know what they are talking about.:)
 
I found out from a friend that Wal-Mart here will not sell ammo after 10pm.

Everytime I have looked at the guns at Wal-Mart I have been unimpressed. Medicore selection with so so prices.
 
The only collective negative for gun owners writ large that I see is it gun sales are less "mainstream." There may be individual negatives for those folks who wanted to buy a cheap 10/22 at Wal Mart. On the other hand, this probably really helps out local gun shops, who need to stay in business if the gun culture is to survive.
BSR
 
This person said that the Sheridan Wal-Mart sold more than $47,000 worth of firearms in 2005, but that the federal government had levied substantial fines on the company because of improperly completed federal firearms transfer forms.

This is pure BS.
The BATFE has no power or authority to impose fines on FFL holders.
They can issue "violations" and with enough of them, they pull your license. That is the extent of the BATFEs current authority.
 
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