Nat. Guard in N.O. LA

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Tuner,
Let's not panic until we see what the rules of engagement are and how they intend to utilize the Guardsmen. It's not uncommon in these types of situations to give the Guardsmen administrative functions so that sworn officers are freed up to work the street.

I don't know about Louisiana, but not all states give the Guard peace officer status if called to state active duty. If that is the case then they would most likely only be used to provide backup for the sworn officer. I don't see the Guard out patrolling the streets without being accompanied by NOPD. If they don't have peace officer status anything they did would be the same as a private citizen doing it. Every arrest would be a citizens arrest, every use of force would be subject to the same rules a civilian follows.

Even if they only send members of MP units, it's still going to be very problematic and a defense lawyers dream if they were just turned loose on New Orleans. Then you have to figure that they certainly don't want to call these guys back up and pay them to go to multiple court appearances 8 to 18 months from now.

I predict that you'll see them used in a support role.

Jeff
 
Wonder if Ray would have done this prior to the Mayoral election? Course New Orleans has been a cesspool, and one of the most corrupt cities in America for many years.
I agree with Jeff on this one. I think that "Chocolate Ray" is taking advantage of a drug related shooting to get some free police work.
 
Sorry for the dublicate, but this guy ceases to amaze me with his ignorance. :rolleyes: It seems NO problems can only be fixed by someone else? :confused: Hartford, CT has had 20+ shootings so far this year and the mayor is not asking for the NG. :banghead:
 
Yeah...

...and like I said in my (duplicate) post above, here in Houston we had 23 people shot over last Thanksgiving weekend (courtesy of some low life transplants from 'nawlins) and we didn't call out the guard. Then again, most of the bad guys are returning home I guess, by now!

Mind you, its too wet for crime today! :uhoh:
 
distra:
Sorry for the dublicate, but this guy ceases to amaze me with his ignorance. It seems NO problems can only be fixed by someone else?

Functionally, there is no difference between diabolically stupid and diabolically evil. Ray Nagin is one or the other.

If this world had justice, he'd be spiked up on the south wall of the NO city hall. After a hot day's crucifixion, nailed up on that hot southern exposure, he should then be interviewed by the liberal media, say Gretta Van Susteren:
Ray, tell us about your agony?
Ray, can you explain the irony of your present situation?
Ray, do you believe in an afterlife?
Ray, can you see a white light?

BTW, I am not a religious man, but I sincerely believe in evil people.

The liberals believe in pathetic fallacy that nature or things can be cruel. However nature is only indifferent. To be cruel requires intent. Ray Nagin has intent.
 
a man was fatally stabbed in argument over beer.


Sounds like things are back to normal.



"We have to deal with it now," Councilman Arnold Fielkow said. "If we don't make people feel safe in their homes, nothing will happen. Let's make this priority Number One."


Sounds like the problem is more being safe in the streets than in your home. But then again, these were not random crimes. So its a load of crap




but wait, this is my favorite......
Cynthia Willard-Lewis, who represents predominantly black eastern New Orleans, said a big part of the solution will be getting young people off the streets and into caring environments such as schools.


Because we all know that if a school was open these kids would flock right to it... how out of touch can you be with reality?
These bastards most likely arent even attending school during the day let alone hanging out at one at 3am doing somekind of state-approved wholesome activities..... give... me.... a break
 
I'm from the area and I REFUSE to set a fot in NO city limits, Unless I'm on the interstate doing 80. I know I wont outrun the bullet, but maby the guy with the gun.
 
So what if the NG runs into a gang/mob/population situation they can't handle, or escape from, what then ?

An airstrike ? :neener:
 
I heard on the CBS radio news at 7pm CDT that the Guard was going to be used in a support role, freeing up police officers to deal with the crime wave. Don't know how much credibility I'd give that report, but considering at one time in my life dealing with those issues was part of my job description, I think the news report is probably right.

I doubt if the Guardsmen who go in are even armed.

Jeff
 
Isn't the murder rate less than half that of the last year? Something like 100 murders in first 6 months of 2005 and around 50 in 2006.

Yet it's a horrible epidemic that requires the National Guard to put it down? Just not adding up to me....

:scrutiny:

Edit -- Why didn't they need the Guard in 1994?

Homicides hit their historic peak here in 1994, with 421 dead — more per capita than any other U.S. city that year. Within just five years, the number was slashed by nearly two-thirds, to 159, as homicides plummeted nationally.

Back up to 265 last year
But by last year, the number in New Orleans had crept back up to 265. There had been 192 this year by mid-August, compared with 169 at the same time in 2004. Adjusted for the city’s size, those numbers dwarf murder rates in Washington, Detroit, Baltimore, Atlanta, Chicago, Los Angeles and New York City.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8999837
 
Well perhaps they aren't going in a support role:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060620/ap_on_re_us/new_orleans_national_guard
National Guard ordered to New Orleans

By CAIN BURDEAU, Associated Press Writer 6 minutes ago


NEW ORLEANS - Acting at the mayor's request, Gov. Kathleen Blanco said Monday she would send National Guard troops and state police to patrol the streets of New Orleans after a bloody weekend in which six people were killed.

"The situation is urgent," Blanco said. "Things like this should never happen, and I am going to do all I can to stop it."

One hundred National Guardsmen with law enforcement experience and 60 state police officers were to be sent to the city Tuesday. Up to 200 more troops would be deployed after that, said Denise Bottcher, the governor's spokeswoman.

Earlier Monday, Mayor Ray Nagin had asked for as many as 300 National Guardsmen and 60 state police officers.

It was the first time the National Guard has been used for law enforcement in the United States since the immediate aftermath of Hurricane Katrina.

Nagin had sought the troops after five teenagers in an SUV were shot and killed in the city's deadliest attack in at least 11 years. Police said the attack was apparently motivated by drugs or revenge. Also, a man was stabbed to death Sunday night in an argument over beer.

"Today is a day when New Orleanians are stepping up. We've had enough," Nagin said. "This is our line in the sand. We're saying we're not going any further."

Nagin said he would not allow criminals to take over when the city is still trying to recover from the hurricane. The mayor said troops should be posted in heavily flooded neighborhoods to free police to concentrate on hot spots elsewhere.

Community leaders have raised fears that the violence could discourage people from moving back to New Orleans.

The National Guard had as many as 15,000 soldiers in the city in the weeks after Katrina. As many as 2,000 stayed until February, said Louisiana National Guard spokesman Lt. Col. Pete Schneider.

Blanco said plans were being crafted last week to step up anti-crime efforts, but the weekend slayings forced authorities to move faster. She said she was talking with New Orleans Police Chief Warren Riley about his exact needs.

Riley assured residents that the Guard was "not coming in and taking over the city."

"You will have to look for them to find them," Riley said. "They will not be uptown, downtown or in the French Quarter. Our people will be there. This will allow us to have more of our people there."

The police force has been operating with depleted ranks. It has about 1,375 officers, compared with about 1,750 before Katrina. The city's pre-Katrina population of 465,000 has rebounded to about half its size.

The governor urged the mayor to put a juvenile curfew in place. New Orleans has a curfew for juveniles, but Riley said it is not being enforced because there is no place to put young offenders.

Blanco offered two warnings: "First, to parents, keep your teenagers off the streets and out of trouble. Second, to judges, I am urging you to keep hardened criminals where they belong — in jail and off the streets. We must protect our citizens."

Nagin's request for help had been backed by the City Council.

"If we don't have wind knocking us down, we have shooters knocking us down, and that's unacceptable," said City Council President Oliver Thomas.

Reaction to the mayor's request was mixed.

"As we tell people to come home, we have to keep these areas safe," said LaToya Cantrell, president of the Broadmoor Improvement Association, a heavily flooded neighborhood. "It's long overdue. Neighborhoods should not have been left alone to begin with. Pulling out was a mistake."

But Sherman Copelin, president of the New Orleans East Business Association, cautioned that handing over some neighborhoods to troops unfamiliar with those areas could be a mistake, saying officials should not "let someone come in and be a housekeeper."

The killings over the weekend brought this year's murder toll to 53, raising fears that violence was back on the rise in a city that was plagued by violent crime before Katrina drove out much of the population last year.

Crime has been creeping back into the city: 17 killings in the first three months of 2006, and 36 since the start of April.

At least three other people, ages 16 to 27, have been fatally shot in the same area where the five teenagers were killed early Saturday.

In addition to Nagin's request for troops and state police, the City Council said it would consider increasing overtime for police to put more officers on the street. It also called for a "crime summit" within two weeks.

"We have to deal with it now," Councilman Arnold Fielkow said. "If we don't make people feel safe in their homes, nothing will happen. Let's make this priority No. 1."

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Associated Press writers Janet McConnaughey and Mary Foster contributed to this report.
 
Thefabulousfink said:
...These are soldiers, not police, and are not properly trained to deal with the subtleties of law enforcement...

Just in the interest of accuracy...

...One hundred National Guardsmen with law enforcement experience...

Perhaps, as one person quoted in the article pointed out, they aren't familiar with the neighborhoods, but at least some of the troops will have LE experience.
 
Watching the early news and drinking my coffee, it defiantly went down thew wrong pipe, Ray "were going to give you a curfew of about 11 or 12 for the summer" Blanco "were going to have the troops there for about 2.5 months then were going to re-evaluate from there"

Did someone say something about a police-state city?
 
According to today's Times-Picayune article (http://www.nola.com/news/t-p/frontpage/index.ssf?/base/news-6/1150784711311680.xml&coll=1), the purpose is for the Guard to patrol the largely deserted areas to deter looters and free up the NOPD to focus on crime hotspots.

The article also stated:
And the killings have accelerated since the beginning of April, with 36 of this year's 53 murders taking place in the past 12 weeks, police figures show. Even if the current population is 220,000 residents, a generous figure according to most experts, the 12-week total represents 16 murders per 100,000 residents, more than the 15.1 killings per 100,000 residents in the same period last year.

So, the purpose is not to impose a police state but to try to bring things to the level of pre-Katrina chaos. Of course, this sends a clear message to organizations trying to decide where to host their major conventions 3-5 years down the road. Conventions are the city's cash cow, so I don't see this as a real positive development for the revitalization of the city.
 
It seems to me most of you guys do not see the simple gungrabber ratchet:

1) Publicize trivial violence among gangbanger dirtbags
2) Use it as an excuse to request military assistance
3) Impose martial law
4) Send the troops to collect weapons from legal owners for "everybody's safety until things quiet down"
5A) If people fire on troops in defending their constitutional rights and freedoms, kill them, paint them as wackos, and use the incident as #1 above. Iterate.
5B) If people allow themselves disarmed, collect the guns and keep them indefinitely.
6) "At some point in the future", "when things quiet down", maybe consider all the lawsuits that people will file for their guns and freedoms, you know, when we "win the War of Gang Violence", like the other eternal wars we are fighting...

Nagin is dumb. The Church of Victimology will do that to you. So long as he is in office, being an idiot makes him just as dangerous as if he were malevolently intelligent.

Observe NO very carefully. It is the social testing ground of every gungrabber, statist, and socialist wetdreamer.
 
Guess we'll be ready for the next hurricane in New Orleans with the troops already there.:)

I think it's a very bad idea to bring national guard troops in because of a few murders. This kind of thing has gone on in NO for years. What has changed?
 
Y'all, don't get too excited by what the politicians are saying in 'the news'.
This NG deployment event is just an excuse to stand up and talk big.
The REAL STORY? N.O. is NOT PREPARED FOR HURRICANE SEASON.
What do they really want the NG for? Driving the evacuation buses.

..."Observe NO very carefully"...
YES, in fact, why not come on down here and get a REAListic idea.

It'd be great, cause we need more of y'all's money.
The rest of it all disappeared somewhere, they say it's related to
the large sucking sound that we hear all the time now.
The money subsided, i guess, or it got wet and moldy and anyway it's gone.
So please come on down and spend money.
(But don't plan on protecting you or yours while you're here.)

Seriously, how else can you see combat troops deployed in a bombed-out
third world environment, without ever leaving the comfort and safety
of your own car?

(insert annoying smilie here)

-seer-
 
Hey Full Auto, if anything happenes get on airline and head west, I'll meet you past LaPlace and we can sit down and clean our guns together, assuming you still have yours cuz I'm gona still have mine:neener: .
 
QUOTE:
"Nagin said he would not allow criminals to take over when the city is still trying to recover from the hurricane."
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From the results of the elections, I'd say that's already happened. :D
 
CAnnoneer, you're giving those people WAY too much credit. A Louisiana type conspiracy involves things like steering contracts to buddies and figuring out how big a freezer you have to buy in order to be able to store the sting money.
 
All the players in government down here just kind of make you want to puke. Now Fielkow is on the council he will probably want to turn the city into a version of Chicago, where he is from. He needs to go back to sports. I was wondering why he moved to the southshore a few years back, I guess this is why.


They are saying they need the NG b/c the NOPD is so small now they can't handle all their problems. They also said that the NG would not be seen around the quarter or uptown. So they don't want the tourists seeing them and I guess there isn't enough problems uptown to need them. Maybe they can send some NOPD uptown to catch the muggers around loyola and tulane since they have the extra help now.
 
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