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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070204/ap_on_re_us/real_id

what do you guys think about this? The laws supporters argWASHINGTON - A revolt against a national driver's license, begun in Maine last month, is quickly spreading to other states.

The Maine Legislature on Jan. 26 overwhelmingly passed a resolution objecting to the Real ID Act of 2005. The federal law sets a national standard for driver's licenses and requires states to link their record-keeping systems to national databases.

Within a week of Maine's action, lawmakers in Georgia, Wyoming, Montana, New Mexico, Vermont and Washington state also balked at Real ID. They are expected soon to pass laws or adopt resolutions declining to participate in the federal identification network.

"It's the whole privacy thing," said Matt Sundeen, a transportation analyst for the National Conference of State Legislatures. "A lot of legislators are concerned about privacy issues and the cost. It's an estimated $11 billion implementation cost."

The law's supporters say it is needed to prevent terrorists and illegal immigrants from getting fake identification cards.

States will have to comply by May 2008. If they do not, driver's licenses that fall short of Real ID's standards cannot be used to board an airplane or enter a federal building or open some bank accounts.

About a dozen states have active legislation against Real ID, including Arizona, Georgia, Hawaii, Massachusetts, Missouri, New Hampshire, Oklahoma, Utah and Wyoming.

Missouri state Rep. James Guest, a Republican, formed a coalition of lawmakers from 34 states to file bills that oppose or protest Real ID.

Though most states oppose the law, some such as Indiana and Maryland are looking to comply with Real ID, Sundeen said.

The issue may be moot for states if Congress takes action
ument is weak.

i can see the Federal Goverment saying comply or no federal assistance $$
 
If the states drivers license doesn't meet up to federal muster, holders will not be able to use it for identification where required by the feds, airports for example. Those people will probably be required to use a passport to fly inside this countries borders. Interesting really.
 
i find it a little ludacris that you would have to have one. I dont see how it will keep terrorists and illegale immigrants from obtaining one? if they want one bad enough they will get one.

isnt this the land of the free why do i need a national identification card (which is basically what it is anyways but drivers license sounds better) to enter federal buildings that are paid for by my taxes or board an airplane that i purchase a ticket for...

this to keep terroists at bay **** is getting a little far fetched.
 
4th Amendment violation, pure and simple.

If it were merely a biometric link between physical being and a name, fine (maybe, I'm not even sure about that).

Unfortunately, it links so much unrelated information together that it really does create a "security of one's papers" issue. If I'm showing ID to get on a plane, whoever's looking at it doesn't need to know my federal retirement plan number, whether I need glasses to drive, or a host of other private tidbits that are either immediately available via the ID or a short data request away.

IDs should be limited to the narrow purpose for which they were issued.

And they don't do squat for national security. They're too easy to get, copy, or avoid. The 9/11 hijackers had a bunch of absolutely legal IDs. I've watched multiple people use the very same ID card within seconds of each other. Forgeries, duplicates are not particularly difficult. They depend entirely on cooperation; if the person checking doesn't follow thru, the ID doesn't work. Identity theft can produce perfectly legit paperwork. And should the whole ID system be used perfectly without flaw, the perp just does something else (like shoot down the plane instead of fly it into the ground).

It's not about securing YOU. It's about securing bureaucracies.

Good for Maine telling the feds to stuff it.
 
Will be interesting ... how are they going to get jurors for federal trials in Montana if they won't let people in the courthouse :confused:

Heck, I don't want to fly or go into federal buildings anyway :p Although I think I got permanently banned from federal jury duty :D
 
Looks to me as if the general Population have begun to wake up and smell the coffee, and are starting to say.

"Hey! Enough of this Bull!"

Least I hope that is what is happening.
 
The states that remember what states rights and states powers are seem to be doing the correct thing by blocking the .gov on this. My state however has complied like good little brown shirts. I do not think this country needs national ID's we've been around for 200+ years without them and its a real infraction on freedom and liberty to me. Why you ask? Because the .gov does not need to know more than my tax info and thats it.
 
What about buying guns and filling out the fed paperwork? Will you be able to buy without the Real ID?
 
What about buying guns and filling out the fed paperwork? Will you be able to buy without the Real ID?

If RealID is allowed to go ahead, you wont be able to buy "Anything" without it.
Same with the British Equivalent.
 
If the states drivers license doesn't meet up to federal muster, holders will not be able to use it for identification where required by the feds, airports for example. Those people will probably be required to use a passport to fly inside this countries borders. Interesting really.

This is true. Kind of ironic that we're getting to the point of internal travel
documents in this country. This is the kind of thing we were warned
about as kids that only the big bad soviet boogeymen did in their
country.

BTW, you will also need that passport if you plan on visiting Canada or Mexico
by car next year. That's right, even your federal compliant RFID/biometric
state drivers license will not be enough in 2008 to get you back inside.

What was that I just heard?.....An iron curtain being slowly pulled across the
land?......What comes after that? Some more gun control laws? Nah! Can't
happen here!
 
Perhaps a helpful template

I encourage you to contact your own legislators on the topic. Here is something I sent to my state congressman and senator:

Dear Senator Risser,

I am excited to contact you in regards to the Maine legislature’s decision to not comply with and demand a repeal of the “Real ID Act.” This invasive act does not coincide with the American ethos and has threatening consequences, especially in further eroding the states’ rights to govern their own citizens. Please, and to emphasize, please do not blind yourself with the bandages of the terrorist attacks on September 11, 2001. The fear of that one act has alarmingly led to a more fearful and disastrous reaction: the smiting of inherent individual rights that the founders of the United States of America tried to protect from Government in the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. Please, work within the Wisconsin legislature to rebuke compliance with this so-called “Real ID Act” similar to Maine’s courageous act.

I trust you to protect the rights of your constituents.

Sincerely,
xx
 
The REAL ID cards are terrible ideas brought to us by everyones favourite nutjob James Sensenbrenner.

I have yet to understand why they need people's religion on it, employment, blood type and a bunch of other information. You might as well get people to sew stars of davids and pink triangles on their clothing the way its done. Then the people who keep the records and do the checks is a private company who could easily go out and sell everyones information to the highest bidder.

Of course it also includes a chip with all your information on that can be accessed by anyone with a reader from a fair distance away. There goes all your information right there.

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Thats what they look like.

http://www.unrealid.com/ is an interesting site about the card.
 
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Well, it's incredibly boring, but at http://www.nga.org/Files/pdf/0609REALID.pdf they estimate it'll cost the States Eleven Billion Dollars for the first five years. And for eleven billion dollars one could buy one hell of a lot of magic beans instead, actually so many magic beans that you're bound to get a combination of magic beans that will make all problems disappear.
 
It would be nice if any of these gov schemes actually worked, but the plain fact is that very few ever have, at least in the way they claimed was intended.

I have no doubt that it will be an inconvenience to every one to comply, and an inconvenience to terrorists to get around it.

Time for a revolt at the ballot box.
 
they estimate it'll cost the States Eleven Billion Dollars for the first five years.

Pffft! What's $11 bill when we're paying $750 bill for something else we were
told would only cost $100 bill. Hey, it's only money, it's for a good cause,
and the gov't can just print more of it. :p
 
Well, *IF* this goes thru.. [ and i hope not, but afraid it probably will ], we should AT LEAST be pushing for the yang to this ying: the Real ID includes reciprocity for CWP, in ALL states, and in ALL cities. That's right, including NYC/Chicago/etc.

Now, my own personal ID is already in all the government computers, due to employment and security clearances. And in reality, they would not be pushing this if certain states were not giving photo ID's to criminal immigrants. :-/
 
If they can make a national ID card then the Feds can make a national LTC .
I believe Ma has said the same as Me or is going to in the near future.
 
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