NBC AR15 Piece Using Oleg's Photos

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For the record, the D.C. snipers used a Sarah Brady-approved rifle
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In addition they only shot single shots so they could have used a Thompson-Center single shot rifle or bolt action and done the same damn thing. :rolleyes:

So if I make an illegal left turn in a Ferrari am I more of a threat to society than if I make an illegal left turn in my Intrepid?
 
Did they get permission?
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  • News organizations don't need to get permission to use material relevant to the story.
  • This is an old story, and has been posted before.
  • I shot with Deb at Rocky Mountain 3 Gun in New Mexico a couple of years ago. She's good people.
 
Pistol grip so you can fire from the hip?

Maybe it's just me but I think my SKS that doesn't have a pistol grip is easier to fire from the hip then the AR-15 that does.
 
We do call them black rifles, so what is the problem? At least they didn't call them Evil Black Rifles, like many posters on this board do.

I thought the piece was pretty good, except for the firing from the hip thing and the DC sniper piece. Those were just stupid, and showed the ignorance of the reporter and producer.
 
Aside from perpetuating the myth that Black Rifles suddenly came onto the market -since- the expiration of the AWB, that was surprisingly non hostile coming from the MSM.

A lot of us would have FAINTED had we seen coverage this non hostile years back.


The press has chosen sides, and it's not ours, but events like this are evidence that the press is slowly ceasing hostilities against us.
 
Actually, I get the impression they know exactly what spin they're working. Take the rounds vs 'bullets' thing. Which sounds more 'evil' to the general public? The pistol grip comment too. Then they interview an obviously over the top gun owner, which again...looks scary to the general public. Now if they had a more toned down individual driving a Honda Odyssey with 3 kids in the back, I might have been more impressed.

Don't be fooled, it was definitely meant to put AR's in a bad light.
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I agree with this assessment. It's negative from the "assault rifle" in the intro, to the woman saying that shooting made her feel "empowered", to the implication that the DC shootings wouldn't have happened w/o a "black rifle", to the statement that, "these rifles would already be banned except for people like Deb F."
 
They say "fire from the hip" like its something you want to do. Guess what? Anyone here could fire any gun they wanted from the hip. Pistol grip or not. But we know you're not going to hit anything more than 7 yards out, so its useless.
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Firing from the hip might work to some extent with a full auto battle rifle like the M16, but when you can only fire one round per trigger pull, shooting from the hip is more like playing 52 pickup sticks with your butt cheeks. I'd like to challenge one of these "shoot from the hip" reporters to a live fire combat duel with airsoft guns.

They can be armed with a "Black Rifle" outfitted to shoot airsoft pellets, semi auto only. I'll be armed with a semiauto style handgun outfitted to shoot airsoft pellets. The only rule will be that they must shoot from the hip only, while I can aim and fire. Who do you think would have the better chance of winning?
 
I don't think it was as badly biased as other reports I've seen, such as discussing evil black semiauto rifles and then showing guys shooting the same "style" of rifle on full auto. That's deliberately misleading to the misinformed sheeple out there. At least now they are just trying to use "scary" words and phrases to fool people, such as "black rifles" and "shoot from the hip". They may have decided that they can no longer outright distort the truth, so they have resigned themselves to be a little more "stealthy" in misrepresenting the truth, and not telling the whole truth.

I still don't trust the media. They want assault weapons, excuse me, "black rifles", banned. They'll do what they can get away with to accomplish that goal. However, it looks as if they have been convinced that they can no longer get away with such blatant lies as they once did. That is a positive sign, but not a transitional sign. In other words, they have not transitioned over to the side of gun owners' rights. They are just being more sneaky in their attempts to limit and infringe upon those rights.
 
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Did anyone else think that the lady in pink bore a scary resemblance to Hillary Clinton (in mannerisms/look, not ideology)?

At any rate, that lady came across as non-threatening, but still somewhat crazy. The anti's representative was much more composed, and professional-seeming, if you just watch her mannerisms and expressions, and ignore the fact that she is spewing a bunch of misinformation. To someone who doesn't know any better, who are they going to believe? It's an unfortunate and all-too common juxtaposition in the media today...
 
I thought it was pretty balanced. Most reporters know almost nothing about what they report and the producers and writers that actually gather the facts usually know about the same amount.

To appear credible, they can't say that in their reports. They tend to take sides in virtually every story, sometimes just because of which press release they copy from the most.

Look at virtually every crime story. They virtually always all but quote verbatim from the police PR releases, with little or no checking to verify the police statements are true. Look at most business stories. They sometimes lift whole phrases right out of press releases, again with little fact checking.

I like the black rifle idiom. It tells a lot of the real story about these kind of rifles - that cosmetic features are the main difference. We need to get that across.

And yes, the shooter was not made up properly for TV. You have to understand that makeup is a critical part of the TV business. The camera makes you look odd if you are not made up properly. Its not because they are sissies that male anchors and politicians wear makeup. If they don't, they will just not look right on camera. They may be sissies anyway, but the makeup is necessary to look normal on camera.
 
I don't know a bunch of people that are AR owners but I can say that I've gone to guns shows my whole life and I've NEVER heard anyone refer to an AR as a "black rifle". I've heard plenty of people talk about AR's or black powder rifles but never have I heard anyone talk about their "black rifle". Clearly, the use of the phrase is intended to impune the legitimacy of owning such "cop killers".

Although, in a self defense situation, I'll put my $300 870 wingmaster up against your AR anyday of the week and twice on sunday. But I'd still like to have an AR though.
 
If it's from NBC...

It seems to be a balanced article, but I don't trust anything about guns that comes from NBC. Remember, a few years back, the President either of NBC, or NBC news vowed to do all in his power to bring about the banning of guns in America.

If it's from NBC and sounds like it's good for us, it has probably been hand picked for it's misleading psycological value to serve a higher calling in their anti-gun agenda.

I wonder if they realize that common citizens, playing with EBRs, finding variations and improvements to them, have made them the battle field proven rifles of today, saving soldiers lives, and sending our enemies to the infernal regions.:evil:

If B&B Pawn didn't have 2 EBRs on the day of the Hollywood bank robbery, what would have happened? Fortunately they were available for police to commandeer. Had the Brady Bunch had their way, only the bad guys would have had assault weapons.

The Brady Bunch spewing all of their venom about "cop killer bullets" already made Armor Piercing (AP) so taboo that none of the officers facing the Hollywood robbers (who were fully armored, head to toe) had them; an irony for certain, because police are supposed to be the ones to carry AP or KTW ammo.
 
Gotta love the comment about people buying these "since the assault weapons ban was lifted". 1) The ban did more to popularize AR15 ownership than anything thing else. and 2) The rifles themselves were never banned anyway.
Funny stuff. Have another Twinkie Lisa.
 
Quote:Although, in a self defense situation, I'll put my $300 870 wingmaster up against your AR anyday of the week and twice on sunday. But I'd still like to have an AR though.

Ok, range 250 meters. Do you want the north or south end of the field?:neener:

Seriously though, no gun is perfect for all occaisions, or all shooters. Shotguns are great for inside of 75 meters (and yes, I realize that some highly talented individuals can perform wonders at over 100 meters with a single projectile from a shotgun), but I find my M-1A and AR easier to shoot and make consistant hits past that.

I've personally never fired my Mossy 590 beyond 75 meters, but it is surprisingly accurate with a Federal 50 cal Sabot Slug at that range, while my AR has turned in half inch groups at 100 meters.

What is evil about an accurate rifle? Wasn't it the "spray and pray" technique the antis claim to dislike?

The anti-gun left complained about "cheap, inaccurate guns" calling and now we use high priced, high performance hardware, they still complain. There is simply no pleasing them. :banghead: I refuse to paint my guns pink!!!!:D
 
From the hip.?.? A pistol grip like that isn't comfortable to shot from the hip....

Oh, but I am not a limp wristed......


I feel the same way obiwan1. My 30/30 doesn't have a pistol grip so I can't be like Chuck Conners.
 
Shooting from the hip

The ability to shoot from the will make out streets run red with blood!

This modern technology will give criminals the edge over the police:what:

We should only allow safe, non hip-shooting guns......
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WOW, and my pistols have er um "pistol grips" :uhoh:

I guess I can shoot them from the hip too! Perhaps I can turn them sideways too so it'll be a ganger style pistol grip, I have heard this makes them more accurate :rolleyes:
 
oh, I almost forgot. yes, I did *gasp* shoot from the hip once. my benelli m1 super 90. reduced recoil federal tactical 00 buck. pistol gripped stock. thousand dollar gun.

fired all six rounds. rapid fire. blew the target away at 7 yards. completely obliterated it. awesome.

and right after i put the gun down i started hopping all over the range, trying to shake feeling back into my hand and cussing up a storm.

it is MUCH easier to shoot a "monte carlo" stocked gun from the hip than a pistol grippped gun.

the only real advantage of a PG imho is that you can have it at the ready while opening doors much more easily, and that its harder to lose a grip on. but there are also major disadvantages, like when you are trying to fire from prone and when you need to roll over on the ground.

not to mention that they take up all this room in the safe =(
 
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