Need my first AR-15 advice!

[FlyinBryan]

And of course the QC factor doesn't address things like lack of M4 Feed ramps

good point. mine does not have them, at least not cut into the receiver.

both of ours do have the taper pins, but they do not have parkerizing under the front sight bases.

it is worth noting that these did NOT have double sheilded handgaurds. and actually one of the barrels was slightly canted, so it also cant be said that they were perfect either. (although they have ran perfect to date, knock on wood)

i suppose i got lucky because i didnt go out looking for these things, lol, in fact, i didnt go pick them out at all!!!! i gave my son 2000 bux and told him to go and pick us out a couple of rifles and some goodies for them.

i suppose the kid did better than we could have even known at the time.

 

[C-grunt]

Really, ARIZZA? Consider the following.
Noveske - $2200 and upDPMS - $900 and up.
Rock River - $675 and up
As far as workmanship goes if you have a DPMS notice the light gap between the upper and lower. You won't find that on the RR or the Noveske. My RR AR's have had over 3500 rounds run through them, both .223 and 5.56 NATO with no malfunctions or broken parts. I consider Noveske the top of the line and if I could afford one without a divorce I'd get one. I consider DPMS the bottom of the line base on workmanship/machining tolerances alone.

Here is what I bought from Noveske. Thats a good bit cheaper than 2200 bucks. It was expensive, but like I said you pay for the barrel. Plus you get a nice stock, Troy sights and a nice grip.

http://noveskerifleworks.com/cgi-bi...lrb-556&cat=138&page=1&search=&since=&status=

 

[C-grunt]

I disagree. Most home-defense situations occur at no more than 15 yards, and more likely closer than 7 yards. In all actuality a shotgun is the best home defense weapon, followed by a pistol, and then a rifle. You don't necessarily want a high-powered weapon because if the bullet continues on its path (once it's passed or penetrated the bad guy), and you hit someone else, you're liable. A shotgun won't go past a wall (or if it does, it won't go far), and a pistol is easier to wield in tight quarters.

Depending on where you live, you may or may not be legally allowed to pursue a perp off your property, so a long range shot isn't in the cards for you. Even if it was, if the guy is runnig away, there's no real point in pursuing (or shooting) him. That's a job for the cops.

Considering all that, if all you have is a carbine, it's "better than a stick", that's for dang sure.

Hollow point .223/5.56 has less chance of over penetration when compared to handguns or shotguns. Thats one of the reasons why PDs all over the country are switching to them.

Buck shot will go through several interior walls. Handguns are low powered and are harder to make hits with when compared to shotguns or rifles. I dont trust a handgun to effectively stop a bad guy immediately inside my house. From my experience most bad guys who are shot with a handgun are very mobile afterwards even if they die a short time later. Thats not the performance I want when a crack head with a knife is in my hallway next to my daughter's bedroom.

 

[FlyinBryan]

what kind of accuracy could be expected from that noveske, if one were inclined to try to handload and wring the tightest possible groups out of it?

 

[C-grunt]

I have read the standard barrels are good for about 3/4 - 1 moa while the staniless are good for about 1/2 moa.

I have never really done any real group shooting with it. Closest I did was using a 3 power ACOG, Hornady 75 grn OTM on a front rest with no rear bag. That setup shot a 5 round group at 200 yards of 3.8 inches.

Its currently my only AR so its set up for CQB. Once I get another rifle I am planning on scoping the Noveske and adding a Daniel defense free float rail. Them we shall see what its really capable of.

Current set up


Target

 

[FlyinBryan]

very nice grunt.

i hear quite often that the chrome is thicker in noveski barrels (also just saw it on their website), like x2, of a standard chrome lined barrel. i wonder if this requires the bore to be oversized to bring it back to specs, or is chrome lining so thin by nature that initial boresize is the same as any other?

example: if standard chrome lining is measured in ten thousandths, like 1-2/10,000ths, it really wouldnt matter,,,,,,,,,,,as opposed to the possibility that chrome lining is one or several thousandths thick, which would of course require a correspondingly larger initial boresize to bring it back to .223-.224?????

 

[C-grunt]

very nice grunt.

i hear quite often that the chrome is thicker in noveski barrels (also just saw it on their website), like x2, of a standard chrome lined barrel. i wonder if this requires the bore to be oversized to bring it back to specs, or is chrome lining so thin by nature that initial boresize is the same as any other?

example: if standard chrome lining is measured in ten thousandths, like 1-2/10,000ths, it really wouldnt matter,,,,,,,,,,,as opposed to the possibility that chrome lining is one or several thousandths thick, which would of course require a correspondingly larger initial boresize to bring it back to .223-.224?????

Thats way over my pay grade to know. Give them a call the receptionist lady is really nice and helpful.

 

[kwelz]

I am not sure what pixie dust or ground up unicorn horn Noveske uses in their barrels, but it works. They have thicker Chrome lining but are as accurate than most places SS barrels. Yes you pay more for one, but it is worth every penny.

My next factory gun will probably be a Noveske. For what you get they are not really that much more than anyone else. However for the OP I think he would better served with a DD, BCM, or 6920.