New .45 suggestions?

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DontShootMe

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I have decided to purchase a .45

How about helping me out with some pros/cons for these potentials:

Glock 21/21c/30
Springfield variants
Kimber variants
something else you may recommend...

I already have a full size glock in 9mm (17) and after more than 3000 rounds it has not failed. This makes me lean toward a Glock 21/21c/30 - I may carry it, so the 30 looks extra appealing.

I have also been drooling over those pretty 1911 style pistols. Damn they sure are purdy!! Wow that kimber custom carry is sweet!

I've heard from a lot of folks that when you buy a 1911 style pistol you have to send it in to be 'tuned' before it's a reliable gun. How much truth is there to that?

Also, do you think that the price difference between a Glock .45 and the 1911 .45's is worth it?

Thanks for your input.
 
So many variables....a matter of opinion at best

For concealability G36...I find the G30 too fat-(personal preference)

For sheer shootability (no size concerns) S/A or Kimber-FULLSIZE

The "chopped 1911's have some issues...most of the full size will run pretty well right out of the box. A wise man recently told me...shoot it until you NEED to modify it!

My Loaded Operator just keeps going and going.

HK USP 45C

Sig 220?????

Low cost...(doubles as a hammer) Ruger P90-should have wheels

And ...jury still out, but looks promising Smith&Walther SW45
 
Just as with any other machinery - - -

- - -The more comlicated you make a firearm, the more apt it is that something will go wrong.

Much of the recent bad rap taken by 1911 style pistols is from people who aren't happy unless they depart significantly from the original design and intent of the arm.

It is pretty well accepted that Colt quality control suffered somewhat for a time. From all I hear, a box-stock Government Model or Commander produced in recent years is quite reliable. Take it out of the factory packaging, clean and lube it, and fire a couple of hundred rounds of ball, and it should be good to go. Not cheap, but reasonably priced. And, it LOOKS like the great old warhorse, and not like some Star Wars prop piece.

Start hanging the add-ons from it, using bargain basement magazines and trying to shoot handloads of questionable origin - - It is hardly surprising there'll be a few glitches in the operation.

If one demands a long, "full length" guide rod, reliability suffers, especially if it is not installed by a really qualified 'smith who understands the operation of the type. The design functioned quite well for 70-plus years with the standard recoil spring guide, and then it became popular to tinker with the design.

The shorter the slide is made, the more problematic reliability becomes. I feel anything shorter than the Commander should be throughly tested with the exact ammo and magazines before being trusted for personal defense. Don't be astounded if there are some problems to be resolved.

Above comments apply for the Kimber and Springfield 1911s as well. Those which come with FLGRs whould either be avoided, or the guides replaced with the standard design.

I realize full well that a lot of people are heavily invested in their super-custom, after market modified pistols. Some of them work quite well, I know. But it is wrong to claim a bunch of add-ons constitute a "custom pistol." You want to order a Wilson or Baer or even higher-dollar piece made to your specs, fine, but they don't come cheap. They should be broken in per makers' instructions before being trusted with your life.

The big Glocks do have a good reputation for reliability. If you can tolerate the broad slide and the very subjective "feel" of the type, you might be very well served by one. I purposely set out to learn something about the Glocks, to have a well-rounded firearms education. I can shoot one pretty well, and if forced to do so, I could live with one as my mainstay sidearm. I am NOT so forced, and prefer the 1911-type for primary use. As you may have observed, I hold some strong opinions within the type, as well. :D

Is the price difference between a good 1911 and a Glock worth it? It is to me. For someone who strictly wants a plinking pistol, or a range gun, or something to keep in the glove box or night stand, possibly not. Sidearms are a vastly personal choice.

DontShootMe, I cannot say what is best for YOU, personally. I think anyone who tells you, "THIS brand is what you MUST have," or, "THAT brand is totally unusable crud," is being intellectually dishonest, or exhibiting their ignorance, or both. You requested input - - The above is my own opinion, developed, altered, confirmed, modified, solidified, over the course of several decades. It may not be globally definitive, but it IS based on more than reading magazines and gun counter bullstuff sessions.

Whatever your choice, I wish you satisfaction and valuable knowledge, and I hope you enjoy your association with the forty-five as much as I have mine.

Best,
Johnny
 
Thanx JohnnyGuest

That's exactly the practical info I was seeking... Thanks!!! :D

If any of you have additional suggestions...keep 'em coming!!!
 
My personal preference is a Kimber, but the others are good guns also. My full size and the 4" barreled Compact have run with 100 % reliability after the first box. Actually, the 5" had one jam. The 4" has about 500 rounds through it, and has been great. It would have more, but I just got it a few months ago, and I have been traveling a lot for business.
 
I too am in the market for a .45 Auto. Have handled quite a few and have decided on one model.

Call it what you will but I like polymer handguns. Dont know why but I do.

I want a 1911 style .45.

Also wanted a 10 round capacity.

Not rich by no means (military).

So I have to decide my purchases on what I have available funds wise.

Really liked Kimbers Pro Carry Ten II.

Read alot of good things on the BUL M 5 and have found one for $450 bucks.

Pretty much the same gun with a different name. BUL supplied the lowers to Kimber.

So, pay $700 for a Kimber or $450 for a BUL M-5. Yea, maybe Kimber is a better quality but BUL isnt a slouch either.

I have decided to order the BUL M-5 Commander.

So, I will have it when I get home in June and will post a range report when I run it thru the ringer.

Have fun choosing your next purchase.
 
I'd throw in my recommendation for an STI Trojan. Mine has been completely reliable and accurate. I see that you're in CA, if the new fed law passes to protect gun mfgs from frivolous lawsuits, STI might be selling their Trojan in Kali again.

My Kimber Polymer/Bul M5 has been reliable after I changed the slide release/lock. I have an older Series 1 and I think they had a batch of bad slide releases/locks when they first came out, because the sales rep knew exactly what i was talking about and sent me a new one. It has been trouble free since. It's fed ball, hollowpoint, SWCs, without problems.

If you can get to a range that rent, try before you buy. I was looking hard at a Glock G34 and tried it out. I'm not looking at it anymore. Everyone has a personal preference, better to spend the $8-$10 to rent to see if it shoots comfortable for you.
 
I'd get a new Colt Commander in stainless if I was looking for a new .45, the Glock is a great pistol, but the model 21 is HUGE compared to the model 17.. I think its too big for ccw, if you wanted a pistol for such a purpose.

I never liked "melted" or de-horned looks of the Kimber, but I've heard good things about SA.

Another option you might consider is a sig 228, supposed to be the best DA/SA .45 on the market.
 
I too have been bitten by the .45 bug, actually the 1911 bug. I spent quite a lot of time researching different models. I have owned a KP90DC for quite some time, but wanted to try the 1911 route. In the end, I went with the SW1911. I did not want to spend too much money (this time!), and the SW1911 had all of the features that I wanted.

I had decided that I did not want a polymer or aluminum frame, nor did I have a bottomless budget. I am extemely pleased with the Smith - the only change that I made was to purchast a Wilson Combat slide release, as I did not care for the OEM release.

FWIW

Jamie
 
1. Kimber
2. Springfield
3. Colt

In that order. I'll also throw out Para Ordnance, I love these things, lots of different variations on the 1911 platform; DAO, High Cap.

Then Sig, HK, others I'm not famalier with.

I prefer commander sized guns. Full size grip with a 4" barrel. I also have not had any reliability issues with any of the guns I own. Maybe I'm just lucky.
 
1911, Sig, H&K, in no particular order.
How about a nice CZ97?
If you go Glock full size, have you thought about a G20?
10mm=nice!
 
SIG P220

Do all your looking and then take what you THINK you want and shoot it next to a SIG P220. It is one of the finest hanguns you will ever shoot, period!

Good luck shoppoing!
 
I'm probably different from everybody else here. Beautiful looks aside, I'd take a 1911 last. They were never meant to feed anything but ball (FMJ) ammo. Sure, they can be altered to handle different kinds of ammo better, but you'll never be 100% sure if you're life is on the line with anything but FMJ.

For a combat .45ACP gun, I'd take a Sig P220.

For sheer fun, I'd take a S&W 625! :D :D :D


-Robert
 
I have a Kimber Pro CDP and a Custom CDPII and have never had a misfeed with either. (I take that back, I "limp wristed" one time and had to hit the back of the slide to return it to battery). I've had several Colts and have never been as impressed with them as I have been with my Kimbers.
 
How about something different? Something no one else usualy has at the range or on their hip. A SW99 in .45 :D . I love my sw99 in .40 and would think about the .45. Its a tad bigger tho. You get 2 back straps instead of 3, but still get the extra front posts and adjustable rear sights, 2 mags, and the required bicycle lock :D . A very relaible gun, few parts, and a very safe gun without external safteies
 
DSM:

Johnny Guest has the correct orientation.

What is your budget?

I agree that Kimber has the best bang for the buck - in 1911.

I think for the money & reliability the Glock is hard to beat.

Shoot them all, pick one, buy it.
Then buy more.

:evil:
 
I've had a number of 1911 pattern .45s. I've also had multiple G21s. I simply shoot the 21 better than the 1911 and enjoy it more. Personally I find the 30 too small for my hand. I'd really like to see the 21 trimmed down to the size of a 19. At least in the grip with the same 4.5 inch barrel.

My vote is the the 21. YMMV
 
DontShootMe try the HK USP 45 full size. Very nice quality, and accurate. Don't buy it yet in case you don't like it, but if you can rent it or ask someone who has one so you can shoot it.
i also looked at the Glock 21 before getting my USP, but I find it easier to hold the USP (and i like the USP slide release better than Glock's, very easy to operate and feels just right)
 
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