New Beretta M9 fail at 42 rounds

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Hey all, a bit of a saga regarding my latest purchase, a Beretta M9.

Back story:

I had a very good friend who was in long-range recon squads while in the Army, and he was issued a Beretta 9mm while in the service. After his hitch ended we worked together for about 12 years at a SoCal police department and he still carried a 92 for duty use. Ultimately I moved on and went to my final agency, and he left for greener pastures with one in LA County. While there; he lost his Mom to cancer, lost a sister to prescription drugs and beat his own fast-forming cancer that sprouted on his rib cage. After remission, his city refused to let him return to duty and forced to medically retire.

He kept his demons well hidden. One day after we spoke on the phone, and he was excited to tell me about his recent enrollment in college to finish his degree. The next day, out of the blue he left a note on the front door for his teenaged daughter to call 911 and committed suicide upstairs. She came home from school, saw the note and dialed 911. This was just before Christmas, 2017.

Todays story:

I have wanted a Beretta M9 to have and shoot as sort of a tribute to my friend. I finally decided to do it a couple of weeks ago, so I drove to a police-oriented store in Orange County, Ca. and bought a brand new one for $620. Add on DOJ fees, tax etc. and it was juuuust over $700 OTD.

The ten day wait here for gun purchases meant I couldn’t take it right home, so I ordered a stainless recoil spring guide rod and spring from Beretta USA (I wasn’t too fired up about the plastic rod.) The wait was up on Saturday, when I had a range day planned, so I drove down to the store in Monday rush traffic and picked it up this morning. Place was understaffed so I had a 90 minute wait to be served, then all was good and the M9 was mine. Felt good to finally do this! :thumbup:

I took it home, took the slide off and wiped it down, lubed it, replaced the guide/spring and reassembled it. I tested the trigger, which was a long and gritty 11 and a half pounds DA and 5 lbs 4 oz SA but it felt heavier. (Avg of 5 pulls each.) No worries, it’ll smooth out (and I’ll probably order a M*CARBO kit to help the trigger anyway).

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I then grabbed a couple hundred WWB 124 gr fmj, a target and ran to the indoor range for a quick try-out.

I started at 5 yds, and my first shots showed that the sights were regulated for a center-of-bull hold. The next 5 we’re closer to the middle. (Top L-R) I moved it to 10, and shot the middle L-R. Back to 15 and I shot the center two, tossing one outside the “plate”. (100% on me 😞)

I then brought it back to 5 and started doing DA/SA two-shot strings on the bottom two.

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I had fired a total of 42 shots when the guns trigger stopped engaging in DA. When pulled, it just lightly clicked and limply went all the way back. The trigger would go forward and try to reset, but it wouldn’t. I pulled a few times, then it engaged and operated as expected.

At first I thought I was short-stroking the reset, but even with my finger completely off the trigger it would intermittently fail to reset. Man, to put it nicely I was peeved!

I brought it out to the lobby and told the rangemaster/gunsmith I know who works there. He took it into the range with his ammo and had the exact same issues pop up in DA. He was shaking his head when he brought it out of the firing area and said to send it back pronto.

I guess I paid a bit over $16.00 per shot until it croaked. :fire: To add insult, I was “second in line” when I called Beretta CS, so I sat on hold for 35 minutes. Then they hung up before even answering (it got past 5 EST I guess).

I then called the Beretta’s California warranty service center, who didn’t pick up, but the answering machine message said warranty turn around is roughly a month. So, once I do get a label and repair order, then ship this lemon in for warranty work after Thanksgiving weekend, it’ll probably be after New Years Day before I can even shoot it again. :fire:

Sorry about this buddy. I was so happy to finally have this M9, it wasn’t supposed to go this way. I hope you had better luck with your Berettas than I had with this one. 😞

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Stay safe.
 
The last Beretta 92 I bought new had a lot of crud inside it. I cleaned it before taking it to the range and was glad that I did.

The trigger bar (I think Beretta calls it a transfer bar) is mostly under the right grip. I suspect that if you remove the right grip and manipulate the slide and trigger, you will see that the rear of the trigger bar is not springing up as it should. There's a little spring that puts upward tension on it. After a shot is fired, the trigger bar may stay down due to friction, but as soon as any pressure is put on the trigger, it should spring up so it can engage the sear.

You'll see how it works once you get the grip off and play with it a little. Be careful not to damage the little spring or lose it.

Sounds like there's some crud in there--probably at the rear of the trigger bar--and that's keeping it from operating properly.

You don't have much to lose by checking it out. I think the grip screws are 2mm allen screws.
 
Yup, what they said.

I've seen M92s fail/ malf in all sorts of weird ways, but usually after high round counts. I suspect yours is just debris/lube related.

I can't tell from the pics, but if yours has the plastic-coated spring-steel trigger, just upgrading to a factory full steel trigger will smooth it out enormously. Installing the "D" model hammer spring will yield a much more reasonable pull weight as well. While you're at it, might as well swap the poly spring cap/retainer for the aluminum version.

Ya, they ain't indestructible or maintenance-free, but I still love my 92s. Hope you get yours sorted. 👍
 
I've had very little trouble with my 92/96 guns. I have used Beretta CS before though and did find them lacking. Sent me the wrong part twice despite me telling them their own part number and number from the diagram in the manual. Lol

I'm sure they will make it right
 
Sorry for your troubles. My M9A4 has been perfect plus I love tearing my stuff down to the final parts so I can really master the weapon. Hope you can find some peace in the end. The MCarbo spring kit is the best, you won't regret that.
 
First off, I am sorry about your friend. That is very sad.

Can you reset the trigger manually by pushing it all the way forward either by flicking the trigger forward with your finger or manipulating the trigger bar? If so, it could be a broken trigger spring. I've had that problem before. I know that Wolf makes a more robust unit to replace the stock trigger spring.
 
As the others have said, take it apart and see how the parts are functioning, before sending it in for repair. It seems like either a minor part is broken, or the works are gummed up with manufacturing debris / lubricants. Ordering a replacement part will be quicker and easier than sending the whole gun for warranty service. (Some Taurus parts are interchangeable with the Beretta, and are probably cheaper. Ebay is your friend when it comes to replacement parts.)
 
Yup, what they said.

I've seen M92s fail/ malf in all sorts of weird ways, but usually after high round counts. I suspect yours is just debris/lube related.

I can't tell from the pics, but if yours has the plastic-coated spring-steel trigger, just upgrading to a factory full steel trigger will smooth it out enormously. Installing the "D" model hammer spring will yield a much more reasonable pull weight as well. While you're at it, might as well swap the poly spring cap/retainer for the aluminum version.

Ya, they ain't indestructible or maintenance-free, but I still love my 92s. Hope you get yours sorted. 👍
And yup, mostly what he said ^ but I think a possible cause is that the trigger bar spring is broken or misaligned, this is not an unknown issue. You can check this by removing the right grip panel.

If the trigger bar spring is in place, then it's probably the trigger return spring. The trigger return spring is in the frame where the trigger sits, can see it if you look down into the frame with the slide off. I used to have good photos of this, I'll try and find 'em.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aQLvO-Yg4cY

Parts/springs if needed can be had in days from Brownells, Wolff's, Midway, Top Gun Supply and maybe Greg Cote.

You might have to pay out of pocket, but it should be an easy fix and save you at least a month before getting the pistol back in service. Sucks that you have to go through this with a new pistol, we get it, but to be fair to Beretta, the 92FS/M9 are normally up with the best of the reliable out of the box semi-auto pistols out there, so your issue seems to be an anomaly.

The D spring is the easiest and most effective way to smooth out the trigger right away. The steel guide rod is (for me, anyway) a recommended replacement, though I don't think I've ever seen issues with those funky fluted plastic rods.

But, there are several aftermarket "trigger job in a bag" kits available that really make the M9 an even better shooter. Langdon's is/was one of the best. This video shows how easy the 92FS/M9 is to disassemble and install the kit.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=miiYOzvmj0E
 
First off, I am sorry about your friend. That is very sad.

Can you reset the trigger manually by pushing it all the way forward either by flicking the trigger forward with your finger or manipulating the trigger bar? If so, it could be a broken trigger spring. I've had that problem before. I know that Wolf makes a more robust unit to replace the stock trigger spring.
Yes, it will reset if I push the trigger or pull out the hammer just a bit. I have a jpeg video of the gun malfunctioning, but it won’t post on THR.

As the others have said, take it apart and see how the parts are functioning, before sending it in for repair. It seems like either a minor part is broken, or the works are gummed up with manufacturing debris / lubricants. Ordering a replacement part will be quicker and easier than sending the whole gun for warranty service. (Some Taurus parts are interchangeable with the Beretta, and are probably cheaper. Ebay is your friend when it comes to replacement parts.)
I will give it a whirl. I hope it’s just a spring that popped loose. I’m tired of sending guns back for repair. In the past 4-5 years 3 Rugers (10-22, Redhawk & Blackhawk) and 4 S&W’s (Models 48, 66, 624 and 686+) have gone back to their respective motherships for repairs.

And yup, mostly what he said ^ but I think a possible cause is that the trigger bar spring is broken or misaligned, this is not an unknown issue. You can check this by removing the right grip panel.

If the trigger bar spring is in place, then it's probably the trigger return spring. The trigger return spring is in the frame where the trigger sits, can see it if you look down into the frame with the slide off. I used to have good photos of this, I'll try and find 'em.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aQLvO-Yg4cY

Parts/springs if needed can be had in days from Brownells, Wolff's, Midway, Top Gun Supply and maybe Greg Cote.

You might have to pay out of pocket, but it should be an easy fix and save you at least a month before getting the pistol back in service. Sucks that you have to go through this with a new pistol, we get it, but to be fair to Beretta, the 92FS/M9 are normally up with the best of the reliable out of the box semi-auto pistols out there, so your issue seems to be an anomaly.

The D spring is the easiest and most effective way to smooth out the trigger right away. The steel guide rod is (for me, anyway) a recommended replacement, though I don't think I've ever seen issues with those funky fluted plastic rods.

But, there are several aftermarket "trigger job in a bag" kits available that really make the M9 an even better shooter. Langdon's is/was one of the best. This video shows how easy the 92FS/M9 is to disassemble and install the kit.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=miiYOzvmj0E
I ordered a M*CARBO kit that should be in by the time Thanksgiving week is over. Once I check out the innards, if it is a misplaced or broken spring I will swap everything out and try it. I redid all of my revolvers, 1911’s and CZ’s, so with You Tube tutorials and my experience I should be able to swing it. (Plus I can ask you guys, too!)

If it’s a broken part, I will leave the springs as is and send it in.

Thanks for the help!

Stay safe.
 
Yes, it will reset if I push the trigger or pull out the hammer just a bit. I have a jpeg video of the gun malfunctioning, but it won’t post on THR.


I will give it a whirl. I hope it’s just a spring that popped loose. I’m tired of sending guns back for repair. In the past 4-5 years 3 Rugers (10-22, Redhawk & Blackhawk) and 4 S&W’s (Models 48, 66, 624 and 686+) have gone back to their respective motherships for repairs.


I ordered a M*CARBO kit that should be in by the time Thanksgiving week is over. Once I check out the innards, if it is a misplaced or broken spring I will swap everything out and try it. I redid all of my revolvers, 1911’s and CZ’s, so with You Tube tutorials and my experience I should be able to swing it. (Plus I can ask you guys, too!)

If it’s a broken part, I will leave the springs as is and send it in.

Thanks for the help!

Stay safe.
I have a decent stash of spare parts. If you do need something, lemme know.
 
@Riomouse911 That is a total bummer! I have faith that Beretta will make it right though.

I had the opposite happened to me recently. The guys who taught me how to hunt when I was a boy we're all Reserve Deputys for The Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department. I remember when they started getting Berettas and thought they were the coolest thing since the Space Shuttle. Most of these guys carried S&W 469's off duty and being great guys, they would let me shoot their 469's when we finished hunting. Once the Beretta were issued, the Smiths disappeared and even though the Beretta was a much larger gun they found a way to carry them.

I distinctly remember the first time I got to shoot one. We were quail hunting out by Taft and ended up limiting early. This left plenty of time to relax and do some shooting. The difference between the 469 and the Beretta was amazing. The 469's had a smallish, square grip and definitely stung my hand after a couple of magazines. The Beretta was soft shooting, smooth, and very accurate.

I have always wanted one since then but never seemed to be in the right place at the right time to buy one. A few years ago a deal came along and I picked up a nice used one. The owner upgraded some of the parts from Langdon Tactical and it has a great trigger. It is also super accurate. It is also just as smooth and soft shooting as I remembered. All in all it was worth the wait to find this gun.

I'm willing to bet that when you get yours back from Beretta it will run like a champ.

I think that is a great way to remember your friend and once it is up and running will be a great way to bring back the good memories.

Keep us updated.
 
My last M9A3 was enough for me to swear off Beretta. Not just the numerous problems with the pistol, but also the fact that Beretta flat out did not care.
 
An Older Beretta 92 guy here. I had an Italian made Beretta 92 before it became the M9 and did the old Border Patrol trigger mod and had a set of adjustable low profile sights installed in the earlier 90s. I was not a big fan of "Crunchentickers" nor the 9x19 cartridge until the new century dawned with all its surprises. I stashed the Beretta in an old London Bridge tactical vest with a line of extra magazines and hung it in the closet for a decade . In 2005 I wanted to get a deployment in 'Stan before I got too old and looked around the new Web for a job, I owned a business with a younger partner who could run things when I was gone.. I was tentatively hired by Detroit Diesel to be their service rep in 'Stan for their engine package, I was already considered an expert in the field and had worked on Govt. projects for my company. Anyway I sought out training with documentation on the AK and M9 as I already had enough papers for other platforms and I was told IF I had proper documentation it was possible I could "have" those two weapons authorized for my personal defense over there . :) I found that ITTS could provide such documented training under LAPD Metro D platoon auspices at "Eagles' Nest range, for a price of course . This was my introduction to ITTS and a decade of training after. I was taught the Beretta 92 under the same person who introduced them to LAPD as a duty weapon ! However Detroit Diesel welshed on me and sent there allready employed pople at half of what I was to be paid plus hiring locals for their security. No matter , my search had me recruited in 2007 for North Korea De Nuking program, and that's another story .
Bottom line I now use the 92 as a suppressor host as it for some reason is quieter and better all around that way than any other 9mm I have. Still in the London Bridges vest tho , ready to go .
 
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For me, the worst thing about the Beretta is the disconcerting hammer drop when you put on the safety. This is entirely counterintuitive. I got rid of that problem by substituting the "D" version spacer for the hammer release lever. Now, if I want to decock the gun, I can simply pull the trigger after the safety is applied. Or, it can be carried on safe with the hammer cocked (although the trigger is not blocked).

The Taurus clone is way better in this regard.
 
For me, the worst thing about the Beretta is the disconcerting hammer drop when you put on the safety. This is entirely counterintuitive. I got rid of that problem by substituting the "D" version spacer for the hammer release lever. Now, if I want to decock the gun, I can simply pull the trigger after the safety is applied. Or, it can be carried on safe with the hammer cocked (although the trigger is not blocked).

The Taurus clone is way better in this regard.
I agree the hammer dropped when put on safe is unnerving as it is on a Walther P- 38 . I do love The CZ and Sig controlled lowering of the hammer systems and they are by far my favorite.
 
Just grab that hammer between your thumb and index fingers of your other hand and ease it on it's way home when decocking.
BTW, for those who don't know, 92 series Berettas have a two piece firing pin with the rear part being turned up and away from the hammer when the safety is engaged, so it's perfectly safe to decock.
 
For me, the worst thing about the Beretta is the disconcerting hammer drop when you put on the safety. This is entirely counterintuitive. I got rid of that problem by substituting the "D" version spacer for the hammer release lever. Now, if I want to decock the gun, I can simply pull the trigger after the safety is applied. Or, it can be carried on safe with the hammer cocked (although the trigger is not blocked).
Conversely, I get creeped out every time I read this. Because...
BTW, for those who don't know, 92 series Berettas have a two piece firing pin with the rear part being turned up and away from the hammer when the safety is engaged, so it's perfectly safe to decock.
The factory design is very well thought out and safe.
 
The factory design is very well thought out and safe.
Objectively, the hammer-drop safety (as found in the Beretta and the Walther P-38) is safe. Subjectively, though, when you are dealing with multiple handguns, you expect them to behave in predictable ways. Having the hammer drop unexpectedly, when applying the safety, is scary when you're not used to it.

The other thing I don't like is the hybrid DA / SA trigger. All shots should have the same trigger let-off.
 
Objectively, the hammer-drop safety (as found in the Beretta and the Walther P-38) is safe. Subjectively, though, when you are dealing with multiple handguns, you expect them to behave in predictable ways. Having the hammer drop unexpectedly, when applying the safety, is scary when you're not used to it.

The other thing I don't like is the hybrid DA / SA trigger. All shots should have the same trigger let-off.
I look at that as the equivalent of those that prefer a Condition 2, 1911.

Folks are afraid to see a cocked hammer and prefer Condition 2, while either Condition 1 or Condition 3 probably more efficient and safer modes of carry.

Since there are millions of guns that use the Beretta 92FS style safety decocker, from the Water P38, to the S&W 39, 59, 4506, 1006, etc., to the Ruger P85, P89, P94, P95, P97, P345 and all the other guns using that design, I've never had a problem with it.
 
Just grab that hammer between your thumb and index fingers of your other hand and ease it on it's way home when decocking.
BTW, for those who don't know, 92 series Berettas have a two piece firing pin with the rear part being turned up and away from the hammer when the safety is engaged, so it's perfectly safe to decock.
it unnerves me , the Sig P226 type doesn't as it needs no extra thumb , you pushing down and release of lever is the thumb
 
Before you mess with the trigger bar or send it in put the oem guide and spring back in and try it again.
 
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