New Book Says Science Provides Answers to Gun Violence

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New Book Says Science Provides Answers to Gun Violence
4/1/2004


Feature Story
by Dick Dahl

In the preface to his new book, "Private Guns, Public Health," David Hemenway of the Harvard School of Public Health tells a story about the goose problem that had befallen the municipality of Mamaroneck, NY in the early 1990s. A growing population of Canadian geese had set up continuous residence in one of the town's parks, and their droppings atop sidewalks, fields, and beach had become a public nuisance. In response, the village leaders obtained a federal permit to let hunters take care of the problem. At the last moment, though, someone came up with a plan that the village decided to try before allowing the shooting to commence. They hired a dog trainer with a couple of border collies to chase the birds away. The plan worked and no shots were fired.

To Hemenway, the small tale demonstrates a larger American truth. "For me, the story illustrates an important point--the immediate reaction to a problem for many people in the United States is to get a gun," he writes. "Yet it turns out that this response can often exacerbate the problem, while other actions may be far more effective."

With his new book, which is published by the University of Michigan Press and scheduled for release in April, Hemenway is seeking to inject a similar dose of common sense into a debate that is too often driven by politics and ideology instead of science. Hemenway directs the Harvard Injury Control Research Center, whose mission is to reduce injury of all kinds in the U.S. by sound scientific research. So it was natural, he explained in a recent interview, that he would develop an interest in gun violence.

Hemenway started looking at existing research on gun injuries in the early 1990s, at a time when gun violence was skyrocketing in the U.S. and drawing ever closer to the annual death toll on the nation's highways. But where a vast body of knowledge existed about car death and injury and their causes, Hemenway saw that little had been done with gun-injury research. "So I felt that by doing research on guns I'd be contributing a lot to scientific knowledge," he said.

Other public-health professionals and other institutions identified the same paucity, and during most of the 1990s and continuing to today a significant body of research on gun violence has been compiled. While the published research findings have grown into a formidable body of work, there hadn't been a book that really summarizes its best parts until now.

"I didn't think there was a good synopsis, from the public-health standpoint, of all the research that has been done," he said. "The two things I tried to do in the book were to summarize the public-health literature about guns and to give people an understanding of what the public-health approach means, as applied to guns, since most people have no understanding of what that is."

Essentially, said Hemenway, the public-health approach to gun violence means that the problem is not to be examined as a crime issue, but as an injury-prevention issue. And it deals with populations instead of individuals. "The question is not, 'Why did John kill Joe?' It's 'Why are there 30,000 gun deaths annually year after year in the U.S.?' It's 'Why are there more gun deaths in Louisiana than Massachusetts every year?'"

In recent years, public-health researchers on gun violence have produced a variety of findings that shed seemingly useful light on causes and effects. For instance, Hemenway pointed out, "all evidence" shows that a gun in the home increases occupants' chances of dying as a victim of homicide, suicide, or unintentional shooting. "All the data" are consistent in finding that geographic areas and populations with greater gun inventories experience greater rates of gun death. And research on concealed-carry laws shows that there is no evidence to support the claim that they reduce crime and violence, he said.

Even though the science may be clear on these points and others, Hemenway is the first to admit that the findings haven't had much impact yet on public policy. But he also points out that change often comes slowly. "One can ask, 'Why didn't public-health thinking do very well with motor vehicles and tobacco for years and years?' It just takes a while. You just need more and more science to change attitudes."

Furthermore, Hemenway said, even broad consensus doesn't mean that a public-health danger will be immediately rectified. He points to smoking as an example. "Twenty years ago, If you'd have said that all flights would be smoke-free, that there would be no smoking at your workplace, that the numbers of adolescents smoking would be decreasing, people would have looked at you and said, 'That's not going to happen.'" With tobacco, he said, the critical point arrived with the accumulating evidence that smokers endanger more people than themselves.

A unique obstacle to the achievement of sensible gun policies, however, is the almost sacred mystique attached to guns by a fervent minority of Americans. "There is this perception that the American flag is wrapped around guns, where it's not wrapped around cars in the same way," Hemenway said. "But in public health, guns and cars and tobacco are just consumer products. And we should have reasonable regulations of all these products."

Guns were specifically exempted from regulation when the Consumer Product Safety Commission was formed in 1972. But Hemenway proposes that some federal agency -- whether it be existing or new -- should be empowered to regulate firearms as consumer products in the same way that the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) was given power by Congress in 1970 to set and enforce safety standards for motor vehicles.

Hemenway and the Harvard Injury Control Research Center have already initiated an effort to build the kind of broad and uniform injury-reporting system used to guide NHTSA's decision-making. In 1999, the Center received foundation funding to begin a model National Violent Injury Statistics System, to collect data on all violent deaths to assist in developing policies to reduce them. The plan gained support from important people like the surgeon general and important organizations like the American Medical Association, and last September Congress allocated $3 million to the Centers for Disease Control to develop a similar program in 13 states. Several more will be added this year.

The gun lobby has already successfully leaned on Congress, as it did in 1997, to take away CDC money for data-collection projects it considers "anti-gun." And Hemenway is well aware that sensible firearms regulation will ultimately be dependent on the political will of elected leaders in Washington to enact it. But he's a man of science, not politics. The answer, he believes, is more research that builds upon what he and other public-health professionals have started in the last decade.

"I hope my book is one step toward changing public attitude," he said. "Instead of having debates without data, we want to be able to say, 'Here's research; here's science. Now let's figure out what makes the most sense.' So in the long run, it's one step. And it's from the scientific point of view; not the political point of view."

His goal for the book, he said, is to make America a better place. "Guns are an enormous problem in the Unites States. It's very different here than in any other high-income country. But most people don't understand that we don't have to accept these levels of lethal violence. It's not that we're more criminal than other countries and it's not that we're more violent. Where we're really different is our lethal violence, and it's mostly gun violence. Guns not only kill people and maim people; they destroy neighborhoods. They make people afraid. And that changes people's lives."

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This article is online at http://www.jointogether.org/z/0,2522,570165,00.html
 
Pseudo-science in pursuit of curtailing you rights. Gun ownership makes crime drop! Fact! Why is it that unless the numbers go their way they need further studies. :banghead:

It is not about safety or guns! It is about taking away your freedom!:fire:
 
It's 'Why are there more gun deaths in Louisiana than Massachusetts every year?'"

And don't forget these other important questions. Why does Washington, D.C., - with its model gun control laws - have a murder rate 20 times as high as Arlington, right across the river in gun-friendly Virginia? Why do gun-friendly Vermont, New Hampshire, Maine, Montana, the Dakotas and Idaho have a murder rate on par with Europe? Why does Chicago - up there with Chicago as an anti-gun city - have such an incredibly high violent-crime rate? Why do rural areas, which tend to have higher rates of gun ownership, have such lower homicide rates than urban areas?

How many think that the anti-gun liberals in the "public health model" are interested in even asking such questions?

While the published research findings have grown into a formidable body of work,

Much of which is sagecraft and pseudo-science not even peer-reviewed by criminologists. See Don Kates and Gary Kleck, Armed: New Perspectives on Gun Control.
 
I've never seen data that even implied a greater chance of death by crime or accident because of gun ownership. Death by accidental gunshot? Yes. Suicide by firearm? Sure. Obviously if you have a gun in the home you're more likely to use a gun to commit suicide than in a home without one. But are you more likely to commit suicide?

The only research I've ever seen on this was Kellerman's con job. It was a joke.

I find it hilarious that he can talk about science while discussing all the preordained results he set out to prove. :rolleyes:
 
Damn, he is from Harvard and he still cant understand the correlation equals causation fallacy. I wont fight what he is saying I mean it is straight forward logic. How can a gun injury occur without a gun? Still, with all this shoddy research about guns I think I should use their example and write a book. My whole hypothesis will be that areas that have more vehicles have more car accidents. I mean come on science is a little bit more than just stating an observation.
 
Answers. Riiiiiight.

FWIW- Lived not too far from Mamaroneck for awhile, mid-late nineties. Wife worked in Mamaroneck itself.


The geese are back.


So much for pseudo-scientific tripe. :rolleyes:
 
False experts/science used against us.

This relates to a nationwide group of organizations whose
goal it is to eliminate private firearm ownership.

Please do a search on an organization called: Join Together
using the THR search function.

Please note the continued attempt to phrase their argument
in terms of a Public Health issue instead of a 2nd Amendment/
individual rights issue.

Essentially, said Hemenway, the public-health approach to gun violence means that the problem is not to be examined as a crime issue, but as an injury-prevention issue.

Also note the reference to resistance to "sensible gun policies".
{This is code for "we want to take you firearms away".}
{Note: They always assume that only they are qualified to make
decisions about our 2nd Amendment/individual rights.}


www.joycefdn.org


Private Guns, Public Health

Nearly 30,000 people die of gunshot wounds each year,
and thousands more are injured. {This is a lie.}
That makes gun violence a major public health problem,{false assumption}
on the same scale with automobile accidents, {false statement}
HIV, drug overdose, and other causes of premature death.

In his new book,

Private Guns, Public Health, David Hemenway,
Director of the Harvard Injury Control Research Center,
offers an invaluable guide to understanding, and addressing,
this American tragedy.

An Economist and one of the nation’s foremost experts on injury prevention, {Based on what evidence is he a foremost expert?}

Dr. Hemenway presents the research on gun ownership and use;
the role of guns in homicide, suicide, self-defense, and accidental deaths; the impact of guns in the home, in schools and in other public places;
public opinion on gun policy; and related issues.

He demonstrates how a public-health approach—
which emphasizes prevention over punishment,
and which has been so successful in reducing the rates of injury and death from infectious disease, car accidents, and tobacco consumption—can be applied to gun violence.

"Public health is pro-health;
it is not anti-stairs, anti-swimming pools, anti-cars, or anti-guns," Hemenway writes.
"Unfortunately, many people who lobby for
uncontrolled gun access dichotomize the world -- into 'progun' and 'antigun,' 'us' and 'them,' 'good guys' and 'bad guys,' criminals and 'decent, law-abiding citizens.'

Dividing people into such categories is anathema to public health,
whose mission is to unite diverse groups of people and to improve the health -- and the conditions that promote health -- for all peoples."

Dr. Hemenway has been a Joyce grantee for his pioneering work in developing a national system for tracking violent deaths and injuries,
which became the model for the National Violent Death Reporting System. Private Guns, Public Health is published by the University of Michigan Press.

Also see JoinTogether.
 
At the last moment, though, someone came up with a plan that the village decided to try before allowing the shooting to commence. They hired a dog trainer with a couple of border collies to chase the birds away. The plan worked and no shots were fired.

By golly, there's the answer to all of our problems! We can train border collies to chase bad people away!

It really makes me feel good to think outside of the box like this - I'll have to do it some more....
 
For instance, Hemenway pointed out, "all evidence" shows that a gun in the home increases occupants' chances of dying as a victim of homicide, suicide, or unintentional shooting.

And I thought this guy had come up with something new. Instead he trots out this old discredited line.
Sad really...
 
I've never seen data that even implied a greater chance of death by crime or accident because of gun ownership.

Don, Hemenway is an old school, no approach too deceptive, type of gun control advocate and uses Cook's Index for his research.

Since the researchers can't actually tell with good accuracy what rates of gun ownership in a specific area are, they used a formula established by Phillip Cook (another pro-gun control researcher).

I forget the basic formula; but basically they use the number of gun deaths in an area as a proxy for gun ownership - and then without explaining that part, they publish shocking press releases showing that there is a direct relationship between gun ownership and gun death.
 
"Could the high crime rate in the US possibly have anything to do with our large, culturally diverse, urbanized population? Naaaaaaaaaah. That would make too much sense. Let's blame it on guns.!"
 
when bad utopians happen to good people

A lot is wrong with this whizbang's thinking.

For starters, law-abiding gun owners are not "the geese," criminals are. I suggest he loose "the dogs" on them, not us.

The point of a Constitutional republic is not "injury-prevention," it's freedom. You can't have a totally "safe" society unless you control everyone and everything according to some elite's concept of a higher good. Here we go again.

The ultimate goal of these people is not only to un-gun America but to stigmatize all gun owners as having "a social disease." It's only a matter of time before that becomes patently clear.
 
Lets simplify it to the most basic elements.

Question: Is a certain ammount of death and/or injury an acceptable price to maintain our freedoms?

Answer: Yes it is.

Although for the medical eggheads that keep insisting on trying to treat gun ownership as a "public safety issue", I'll ask them this, how many have died of government sponsored genocide in countries with limited gun ownership, versus those with widespread gun ownership? A death is a death, right?

I suppose if we even choose to stoop to the level of explaining "need" for firearms, instead of demanding "rights", the studies don't even consider the impact of injury prevention through defensive uses of firearms. The few studies that did, set up a strawman argument to say self-defense is a rare event because they required the death of the perpretrator to count as a "defensive act". I guess all the muggers, robbers, rapists, and carjackers that simply ran away don't count... :rolleyes:

I suppose we could also eliminate "the freedom to associate" and curb communicalbe diseases almost completely.

If we eliminated the 4th ammendment, I bet we could catch lots more criminals, and eliminate the injuries I'm sure they create.

That the author states guns are "sacred" and "wrapped in the flag" is funny, because as yet one more doctor makes the point ad-anuseum that they ought to be able to view our gun rights through the "dispassionate lens of medicine and sience" blah blah blah, he illustrates his own bias, by not bringing up any other examples of how our rights and freedoms create risk and injury other than gun ownership.

When you realize that the other "rights and freedoms" are all the ones the Left, at least in theroy, likes to champion, the pattern becomes clear.
 
at a time when gun violence was skyrocketing in the U.S. and drawing ever closer to the annual death toll on the nation's highways.

Has 'gun violence' ever come even REMOTELY close to the highway death toll? I seriously find that HARD to believe.
 
It's very different here than in any other high-income country.
Sure is:

Britain, Australia top U.S. in violent crime

Twenty-six percent of English citizens -- roughly one-quarter of the population -- have been victimized by violent crime.

Australia led the list with more than 30 percent of its population victimized.

The United States didn't even make the "top 10" list of industrialized nations whose citizens were victimized by crime.
 
"There is this perception that the American flag is wrapped around guns, where it's not wrapped around cars in the same way," Hemenway said. "But in public health, guns and cars and tobacco are just consumer products. And we should have reasonable regulations of all these products."

:confused: Which Amendment to the US Constitution prohibits the government from regulating cars and tobacco? :confused:


They hired a dog trainer with a couple of border collies to chase the birds away.

Are the border collies unionized?

:uhoh:

Nothing like chasing the problem over to the neighbors.

Earth to Pseudo-Scientists: We do not want to live in a harm-free bubble. In fact, we will use arms to prevent being forced into a harm-free bubble.
 
Research isn't going to change human nature.
"For me, the story illustrates an important point--the immediate reaction to a problem for many people in the United States is to get a gun," he writes. "Yet it turns out that this response can often exacerbate the problem, while other actions may be far more effective."

Like calling 911 and waiting for the police to show up? ? Self-defense is about the self- it is your responsibility.Like this victim did?
 
Wow, Hemenway makes a career out of anti-gun research and then the conclusion of his book is that anti-gun research is a good thing. Imagine that!
 
David Hemenway is an "agenda-driven" researcher. He's been at it for many years.

This is just re-packaged doo-doo. Still citing the thoroughly refuted Kellerman studies (a gun in the home is 43, no 2.7, no 8... times more likely...)

These folks have no shame.

Did you notice the press-release posing as a news item didn't point to a solution?

Rick
 
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