New CVA Pistol

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Looks like you did a nice job on it. One thing that stands out on production guns and kits is the flats on top of the stock running alongside the barrel and the wood sides on each side of the barrel. A custom or hand made gun has rounded, or curved sides that go right around to the barrel itself. I'm not saying this to discredit your work but to maybe give you a push in the right direction in the future. I can't tell from the pictures for sure but the sides of the stock have that " slab sided " look. At least that was the first thing my friends who made their own guns from scratch would look at when I presented one of my guns to them. Then of course it was checking the inletting with a fine tooth comb. [ If it is slab sided don't be afraid to take everything off and reshaping it. ] I can remember starting with a CVA kit back in the early 70's. Boy, were they a piece of $h!! back then. The rifling was so ruff it couldn't be cleaned after shooting. TC came out with their guns thankfully. After that for me it was getting a piece of wood, lock, and barrel and going to work. I'm getting a little long in the tooth and don't have the patience anymore to build them, but it's nice to see some guys are still doing it. A lot better than sitting down and playing those video games. What's nice about 130$ kit guns is you can afford to play around and do what ever you want to customize it.
 
Hi Paul. Thanks for the advice. The forearm does have a small radius. I shaped the wood to match the shape of the nose cap. The barrel on this gun is slick and smooth. The wood is not really all that great. When I stained it I thought it was like staining a piece of yellow pine 2x4. Yuk! The cheek pieces were almost non existant and had to be shaped with rat tail files and sanding blocks. I removed a LOT of wood with my rasp to get it to the shape it is now. I know why someone bought and sold it without working on it.

Anyway I did what I could with it and am happy it turned out as well as it did. Its not like a Lyman or Cabelas kit I have done in the past with the French Walnut that turns out so pretty. But it close enough for government work. I doubt I will build any more CVA/Traditions kits. And probably no more kits period.
 
Glad you're happy with it and that's all that matters. I don't remember how many times I heard " it looks like a 2X4. " I once told a friend who ran a BP gunshop for 40 years [ and taught engraving classes ] that very thing when he showed me one of his guns. He was so proud of it - I thought his wife was gonna have a cow - she laughed so hard. I kept a straight face. She told me latter how many times he said that to someone else, it served him right . If you're going to do it with just a board, make sure it's flat on three sides and perpendicular to each other. That way when you drill for pinning the barrel or ramrod thimble pinning holes or the screw holding the lock in place you'll be going straight through because you'll have a flat surface to lay the stock on. The drill won't want to slide like on a curved surface. Install the barrel first, then you'll know where to position the lock, and then where to put the trigger assembly. If a full stock the ramrod grove can be cut with a router. Half or full stock the thimbles are installed and used to guide a drill for the hidden part of the ramrod. Back it out every 1/2" and clean the chips so it doesn't wander. Everything else is easy to locate. Pre shaped stocks can save some time but are hard for most people to locate and drill the cross holes. My brother from Alaska came over once and in one day we installed the barrel, lock, trigger, buttplate, and ramrod. All he had left was the thimbles and to shape the stock. Five years latter when he moved back down near me I ended up plugging the many holes he drilled for the thimbles and drilled new ones so the thimbles were tight. I told him he shouldn't try to build guns, or even work on them. He kind a laughed.
 
Here are a few pictures of my new CVA pistol I built from a kit I found on Gunbroker. I paid $136 for the kit including shipping. I guess I have around 20 hours in the build. It turned out OK. Not the best but good enough for my kind of shooting. Its in .45 caliber. My favorite caliber.

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ratshooter i too love 45 caliber and just sold my last 50 and 54 caliber guns and only have 45 flintlock rifle a kit i did year before last a traditions kentucky rifle 45 caliber flintlock and last year i killed a deer with it and will be back out this upcoming fall can't wait until it gets here! but yeah i love 45 caliber rifles and pistols and i like doing the kits they are fun to do!!
 
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Nice work! Looks mighty fine to me! I have built a couple of black powder kits, mostly just for the fun of doing it. Still have my Traditions Hawken rifle that I put together probably 20 years ago during the winter months. Hardest part was fitting the brass buttplate to the stock. The buttplate was shaped to go one way (sort of on a 11:00 to 5:00 axis), while the pre-drilled holes in the stock were definitely going straight up and down at 12:00 to 6:00! Took a lot of careful contouring to get that to fit just right!

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Bannock I have that same Springfield Hawken in my safe right now. I bought the kit from Bass Pro many years ago for $105. The finished rifle was around $130 IIRC. I killed my first and only BP deer with that rifle. I still have the mangled ball I found under the hide when skinning it.

Paul Harm I worked all my young life in my dads machine so I should have at least some advantage over others if I had to drill cross pin holes. But I can see where someone may get them crooked. But I appreciate your help and advice. It sounds like you have a lot more experience building guns that I will never have. I am really getting to the point (age) where I don't need any more guns. But they are just so dang much fun.:neener:
 
ratshooter i too love 45 caliber and just sold my last 50 and 54 caliber guns and only have 45 flintlock rifle a kit i did year before last a traditions kentucky rifle 45 caliber flintlock and last year i killed a deer with it and will be back out this upcoming fall can't wait until it gets here! but yeah i love 45 caliber rifles and pistols and i like doing the kits they are fun to do!!!

Midland Man I hope you get a deer with your rifle this year. If I hunt I am going to use my Cabelas Hawken in 45 caliber. Its my most shot BP rifle and my favorite one of all I own. I wish I could get a decent picture of the wood on this rifle. It is just unbelievable for a kit that sold for $129 back around 1994.
 
I think the most fun hunting with a muzzle loader is the " trade guns". Mine is a 12ga but most guys use a 20ga. You'll feel a lot of pride getting a deer with a flintlock smooth bore and no rear sight. Everyone I know limits their shots to around 50 yards. At one time I shot a lot of TG matches with my friends and that was about the limit for a killing shot. Oh, we hit targets out to a 100 yards, but those were just hits somewhere on a metal target. About 10 years ago I shot a deer with my home made matchlock. It took two years to finally get a shot with it. A .715 RB drops a deer in it's tracks.
 
Amen Paul. It's nice to see another person who knows how to build a decent traditional muzzleloader! I have seen my own share of rifle kits that look like a canoe paddle. The best part about production kits is you can make em look like something other than a production gun to a point.
 
Looks great to me! I built a few CVA kits back in the 80's and none looked that good. Course I was 14 and working with butter knives and potato peelers as tools. :D

When I first got married back in 1977 I got interested in RC model planes. So i built a few models but like you I had almost nothing in the way of tools. My saw as an old hacksaw blade with tape around it. I had junk for hammers and screwdrivers but I made do with what I had. I still build RC models and to the best of my count and memory I have built and designed around 50 model planes to date. But now that I am older and not dirt poor anymore I have all the tools I need and if I need something buying it is not a problem. Of couse the same tools work on guns.

I think the most fun hunting with a muzzle loader is the " trade guns". Mine is a 12ga but most guys use a 20ga. You'll feel a lot of pride getting a deer with a flintlock smooth bore and no rear sight. Everyone I know limits their shots to around 50 yards. At one time I shot a lot of TG matches with my friends and that was about the limit for a killing shot. Oh, we hit targets out to a 100 yards, but those were just hits somewhere on a metal target. About 10 years ago I shot a deer with my home made matchlock. It took two years to finally get a shot with it. A .715 RB drops a deer in it's tracks.

Hi again Paul. I have watched many Youtube videos of guys shooting smooth bores, trade guns and about any other BP gun. I have watched Duelist1954 quite a bit. He used to post here or over on thefiringline but I haven't seen a post from him in a while. I watched his Lyman GP rifle build. He gave some excellent pointers on building and shaping the stock.

If you can put a bullet in the kill zone at 50 yards you can hunt about anything you want. I have only killed two Elk but not long range. The first was at 40 yards the second at 50-60 yards. It makes you wonder about the guys that think they need a 338 winchester and a 12x scope. I have killed around 29 deer and all but one could have been killed with a handgun. My one long range shot was a 250yard shot made with a 243. The deer just fell over at the impact.
 
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