New Euro gun laws with plenty of US bashing...

[MachIVshooter]

The definition of insanity is applying the same solution to the same problem and expecting a different outcome.

This logic applies to all who think that prohibiting something will automatically prevent people from possessing it.

Go ahead, Europe-ban all guns completely. Surely it will stop people from having them................

Of course, when I was THIRTEEN years old, I built a single shot .22 with a hand drill, bench grinder and tap and die set. I did get in a heap of trouble for it, but my point is made.

 

[RLsnow]

"Nothing long term to worry about. When your governments start murdering you by the millions again, our "gun culture" will probably bail you out."

Love it!

i dont

 

[NASCAR_MAN]

Quote from the Article:

"We in Europe have a different culture than in the United States and we do not consider the freedom to buy weapons a human right," said Gisela Kallenbach, a German member of the European Parliament from the Green group, who helped draft the proposed law. "All European cows are registered Europe-wide, so why not guns, if it can save lives? Civil liberties can be sacrificed if we can prevent people from being killed."
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My Response:

"Civil liberties can be sacrificed if we can prevent people from being killed." What...is Europe that far gone down the road of Fascism?

Folk, to many of you this will sound funny, but please here me out: "Fascism always arises from the Left - NOT the Right". I'll give you 3 quick examples of declared Facists:

1. Adolph Hitler and his National Socialist Workers Party (aka NAZIs)
2. Benitio Mussolini - the "Father" of Fascism.
3. Baath Socialist Party under Saddam Hussein.

If you want to understand a bit about Fascism - and expecially how it originates from the Left/Socialists, I suggest you read Mussolin's "Doctrine of Fascism" at http://www.worldfuturefund.org/wffmaster/Reading/Germany/mussolini.htm

Unlike the infantile rambling of Hitler's "Mein Kampf" [btw..Hitler's book is entitled "Jihadi" in the Arab world and is a #1 seller] Mussolini's "Doctrine of Fascism" is concise and well written - and is considered THE Definition of Fascism.

Thanks.

NASCAR

 

[armoredman]

 

[RLsnow]

you could also put

"Civil liberties can be sacrificed,if we can prevent people from being killed"

and besides put "It didnt help much the last time you did it."

 

[Koos Custodiet]

Gun crimes are more prevalent in the U.S. because American society is generally more violent than in Europe.

"Well, you started it!"
"I didn't!"
"Of course you did, you invaded Poland!"
</end Fawlty Towers>



Edit : +1 armoredman, FTW!

 

[Black Adder LXX]

This is why we need to keep up the fight here and not give one inch. If 'civilized' equals helpless peasant, then I'm happy to be a barbarian.

 

[Wes Janson]

The basic problem is, no one learns from history. The lessons could be printed in Ariel Black 72-pt font across every page in every textbook, and people still wouldn't get it.

Against stupidity, the gods themselves contend in vain.

 

[Hank Zudd]

this thread would be the best joke of the year, if those euro-sheep were not so into themselves thinking they were saving anything. Muslims & Russia already own most of europe; Russians have all their supply of natural gas & oil, Muslims have conqured major parts of the "New" europe thru migration & fornication. There was a thread a few months ago here where a French goverment offical said "people have no right to defend themselves (against thugs, ect) I'ts the goverment's job". Just like 1914 & 39.
I'm glad that agust cabal of leaders across the pond dosen't want to be like us,
CAUSE WE DON'T NEED NO STINKIN' BADGES, or (more) stupid gun laws.

 

[RancidSumo]

You guys got some crazy rants going on here....

 

[Luomu]

In Europe, gun laws vary widely, as I understand is also the case in the US. Here in Finland shooting is still possible, even though there has been pressure for stricter laws lately. Myself, I've shot IPSC for 12 years, for example.

Some of us also take part in the social debate over this issue, angry letters to editors, to members of parliament, to prime minister, you name it.. Of course, we probably have more of an uphill struggle than you over there. For example, we don't have NRA here, in the sense you do. (Incidentally, I'm an NRA member, even though I've never even been to US) Now, it may come to that some day one may have to emigrate into US (if possible at the time), but we are not quite there yet.

In the mean time, I suggest you americans concentrate on your next presidential elections, so that mrs. Clinton will not win, so that we cow-like europeans may at least have some place left to emigrate into?

 

[macFarlaine]

Before you start more European bashing lets look at your history.Migrants,fornication,led sheep,native Americans,need I go on...

 

[ilcylic]

Civil liberties can be sacrificed if we can prevent people from being killed.

"And, heck. We're the government, (meaning we've got the guns), so your civil liberties can be sacrificed even if it doesn't prevent anyone from being killed. Ha ha."

*headshake* Madness. Utter madness.

 

[Odd Job]

...state will be obliged to set up a computerized data base of firearms, including details about their model, caliber, serial number and the names and addresses of both the seller and the buyer. The data must be kept by authorities for at least 20 years.

That's the system that is already in place in South Africa. I have two pistols, licensed in that manner. Guess what, South Africa has one of the highest rates of firearm homicides in the world.
So do you think that system works? Answers on a postcard please.

 

[Leitmotif]

You're out of date, Odd Job. We have *the* highest firearm homicide rate in the world. Along with the highest murder rate. Per capita, of course.

 

[willbrink]

"The basic problem is, no one learns from history."

Actually that’s not true. You will find most dictators are big fans of history….

"The most foolish mistake we could possibly make would be to allow the subject races to possess arms. History shows that all conquerors who have allowed their subject races to carry arms have prepared their own downfall by so doing." - Adolf Hitler

 

[sterling180]

Look guys,we've covered this before many times and already very few of you seem to acknowledge the situation,back then.Those guns were used to arm the Home Guard and militia forces and not to arm 'ordinary citizens'.I doubt very much that women and those males,of the time,who weren't 'called up for active service' were interested in picking up a rifle or a pistol,to defend themselves with.It's likely that they would have turned them in,to the local cop shop and that's the truth.

AS far as the government was concerned they were MOD property and could be disposed of as they saw fit.So that's the end of they story,thus far.

Even 60 odd years ago,few citizens would have touched those arms.Odd to you yes,but this is the UK and this was reality,back then.

Under the new regulations, these replica guns will face the same restrictions as conventional firearms. Outlawed in Britain, these replica guns can currently be purchased in EU countries like Germany and Lithuania without a permit for as little as €100, about $150.

WRONG WRONG,and only half-correct.See the VCR BILL please,why don't you,you stupid journalist-before you print you're half-baked trash?


So,as for the European gun laws,if pistols and full-bore slrs are still to be allowed,then yes 'standardise',everything like the Euro,so that we can have,what the continent has-but there's probably going be a hurricane brewing somewhere and we'll eventually catch it's destructive power,soon.Either way,were are still up the creek without a paddle.

 

[willbrink]

"Even 60 odd years ago,few citizens would have touched those arms.Odd to you yes,but this is the UK and this was reality,back then."

I’m unclear how these comments are on topic for the thread (unless I missed some UK specific comments) but to throw some thoughts out there. Have you read "Guns and Violence" by Bentley College history professor Joyce Lee Malcolm? She covers the issue of the UK and personal arms/gun ownership in depth and says private gun ownership was very high in the UK at one time, or as one reviewer said:

“Malcolm's carefully researched book is a study of guns and violence in England from the Middle Ages through the present day. When the English were armed to the teeth, violent crime was rare. Now that the English are disarmed, violent crime has exploded. Indeed, crime in England is out of control.”

You may also have seen this, but it sure seems like there are/were plenty of people who are none to happy they gave up their rights to own firearms in the UK:


http://www.weaponvideos.org/viewvideo/259/Gun_bans_in_the_UK__NRA_/

My apologies in advance if I totally missed the mark of your point.

 

[eric.cartman]

From my perspective the Brits are one of very few, if not America's only friend in Europe.

Watch it buddy

http://www.loc.gov/today/pr/1997/97-073.html

 

[macFarlaine]

It may also help to look into what is considered violent crime in the UK.I am not going start listing facts and figures but I think it will raise a few eyebrows if you see what criteria is used.
Firearm related incidents are also very dubious.Here are two,both listed as firearm related incidents in the UK.Both occured in Lancashire Englands third largest county.1.Firearms response unit called to junior school,young boy had pistol.It turned out to be a toy.2.Sighting of pistol at upper school,again police attended,no firearm found in school or on pupils.
Both incidents have been recorded as firearm related incidents and are added to published UK figures.

 

[Kodjak]

My wife and I are sport shooters, a sport which is unfortunately not socially desirable in Germany. Due to this, it is hard to argue pro-gun in public. Ms. Kallenbach’s words are inexpressibly snotnosed and a blame for Europe. We agree with the most replies in this threat even though they are not complimentary for Germans. Many sport shooters in Germany like us think in the same way and work to avert as much as possible.

 

[sterling180]

Dean, no, I would EXPECT a German to say that.

The days of the Third Reich are over and that pathetic coward Hitler,did what most of his associates did-he committed suicide and thus killing off the last remaining sections,of the Nazi era.

As for your comments about the Germans,they aren't valid at all-anymore.ANYONE and mean ANYONE can be an anti-gunner.Personally I have nothing against the Germans at all,because modern Germany,isn't like how it was 62+ years ago.

The EU are liberals and they have their own views on life and not all Germans are anti-gun,whilst those that I've met are quite liberal and are into electro-techno music-they so like their guns and they've got some of the best gun manufacturers,on this planet,manufacturing guns,in their country.

My country is a democracy and already there are too many pc liberals running,resulting on various restrictions.

Both incidents have been recorded as firearm related incidents and are added to published UK figures.

No wonder violent crime is on the rise in this country.Anti-gunners at work.

 

[Deanimator]

My wife and I are sport shooters, a sport which is unfortunately not socially desirable in Germany. Due to this, it is hard to argue pro-gun in public.

At one time, homosexuality was not socially desirable, making it hard to argue pro-gay in public. Then one day somebody did. Then somebody else, and somebody else, and somebody else.

If you allow yourself to be intimidated, nobody needs to oppress you. You oppress yourself. Just as homosexuals around the world asserted their rights and became a force to be reckoned with, shooters must do the same.

 

[Deanimator]

As for your comments about the Germans,they aren't valid at all-anymore.ANYONE and mean ANYONE can be an anti-gunner.

You missed the point entirely. It wasn't that that idiot from the Green Party was anti-gun. It was that she was ANTI-CIVIL LIBERTIES. Her evil is one of a more fundamental and far more dangerous sort. It has deep roots in German culture, and is a shocking echo of the moral and political idiocy which brought us Hitler, the "Enabling Act", and tens of millions of corpses.

Her words strongly suggest that she views gun control not as an end, but as a means, and not to lessening of violent crime either.

 

[Silvanus]

I'll tell you when they come for my guns. Until that day this is all political BS to me. I can buy guns now and I'm pretty sure I can do it in the future. What do I care if the guns are registered somewhere or not, as long as I can have them.