New Jersey legal AK-47. Is this possible?

[TexasRifleman]

Sure.....even comes with laser sight.




Sorry

 

[W.E.G.]

griz22

bayonet stud? are they worried about mass mall bayonetings?

Its "the thing that goes up."

 

[tbtrout]

The State police website has info. I have also called the State Police Firearms unit in Trenton. Each time they have been corteous and helpful.

 

[meef]

I don't want to have to contact a freaking lawyer to find out the damn gun laws in Jersey.

Everyone please stop replying and trying to offer advice.

You're irritating the gentleman.

 

[TexasRifleman]

Everyone please stop replying and trying to offer advice.

You're irritating the gentleman.

Oh I think he's frustrated with New Jersey not us.

Can't say I blame him. It's almost like they intentionally make it cloudy and vague so they can arrest you "if they want to" for just about any firearms violation.

This is the same state (along with New York) that ignores FOPA don't forget.

Unfortunately the best thing to do would probably be to stay away from anything that might remotely peak the New Jersey LE's interest.

I would be afraid of just about anything AK like unless I had something in writing or a VERY good lawyer told me it was OK.

 

[cluttonfred]

I did some digging and here is the original list of banned weapons:

1. Algimec AGM1 type
2. Any shotgun with a revolving cylinder such as the "Street Sweeper" or "Striker 12"
3. Armalite AR-180 type
4. Australian Automatic Arms SAR
5. Avtomat Kalashnikov type semi-automatic firearms
6. Beretta AR-70 and BM59 semi-automatic firearms
7. Bushmaster Assault Rifle
8. Calico M-900 Assault carbine and M-900
9. CETME G3
10. Chartered Industries of Singapore SR-88 type
11. Colt AR-15 and CAR-15 series
12. Daewoo K-1, K-2, Max 1 and Max 2, AR 100 types
13. Demro TAC-1 carbine type
14. Encom MP-9 and MP-45 carbine types
15. FAMAS MAS223 types
16. FN-FAL, FN-LAR, or FN-FNC type semi-automatic firearms
17. Franchi SPAS 12 and LAW 12 shotguns
18. G3SA type
19. Galil type Heckler and Koch HK91, HK93, HK94, MP5, PSG-1
20. Intratec TEC 9 and 22 semi-automatic firearms
21. M1 carbine type
22. M14S type
23. MAC 10, MAC 11, MAC 11-9mm carbine type firearms
24. PJK M-68 carbine type
25. Plainfield Machine Company Carbine
26. Ruger K-Mini-14/5F and Mini-14/5RF
27. SIG AMT, SIG 550SP, SIG 551SP, SIG PE-57 types
28. SKS with detachable magazine type
29. Spectre Auto carbine type
30. Springfield Armory BM59 and SAR-48 type
31. Sterling MK-6, MK-7 and SAR types
32. Steyr A.U.G. semi-automatic firearms
33. USAS 12 semi-automatic type shotgun
34. Uzi type semi-automatic firearms
35. Valmet M62, M71S, M76, or M78 type semi-automatic firearms
36. Weaver Arm Nighthawk.

And the aforementioned generic criteria:

A semi-automatic firearm should be considered to be "substantially identical," that is, identical in all material respects, to a named assault weapon if it meets the below listed criteria:

A. semi-automatic rifle that has the ability to accept a detachable magazine and has at least 2 of the following:​

1. a folding or telescoping stock;
2. a pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon;
3. a bayonet mount;
4. a flash suppressor or threaded barrel designed to accommodate a flash suppressor; and
5. a grenade launcher​

Clearly, this was drawn up by lawyers who knew little about guns. A few thoughts:

• What the heck is an Algimec AGM1 type?
• It's absolutely bizarre that they banned the M1 Carbine that you can order from ODCMP, fer crissake.
• FAMAS?!? Since when has the Foreign Legion been a model for New Jersey gangbangers?
• SKS with the original fixed magazine is perfectly fine, bayonet and all, though it needs to be a non-Yugo without the grenade launcher (or buy a CA-legal one with the GL removed)
• Get a Garand and lots of en bloc clips, that's still legal
• A Saiga is definitely legal as it has none of the specific features to be "substantially identical." You could even add one "freebie" - pistol grip OR folding stock (tough without the former, but look at Kel Tec SU-16) OR flash hider OR bayonet lug - and still be OK. Realistically, that means you could get the skeleton stock without having to worry about whether or not the lawyers think it's a pistol grip.
• I still can't believe they banned the M1 Carbine

In short, get a Saiga, get lots of Saigas, tell all your friends to get lots of Saigas, just because you still can!

 

[TexasRifleman]

What the heck is an Algimec AGM1 type?

Pretty damn obscure. Can't imagine there are many of these around...
It's a silly list for sure.

http://www.securityarms.com/20010315/galleryfiles/3000/3009.htm

 

[cluttonfred]

Cool, thanks for the link, it's like a bullpup Ruger PC9, I like it. I love how, 70 years later, you can still tell that it's an Italian design by the 1930s Berretta SMG-style compensator cuts in the barrel near the muzzle.

 

[LKB3rd]

In CT we have an assault weapons ban, which sounds the same as the New Jersey one. So, a semi auto rifle can only have a pistol grip if it has no folding or telescoping stock, no flash supressor, no bayonet mount, no grenade launcher, if it has a detachable magazine. If it has one of the other features, then it can't have the pistol grip. One of those features only.
The Saiga in .308 gets past the "substantially identical" argument relative to an AK because according to the definition of an AK, it fires 7.62x39. So, a
.223 , .308, or 5.45x39 rifle is not an "AK type."

 

[geekWithA.45]

TexasRifleman: Slingshots are felonies in NJ. Seriously. Not kidding.

Everyone else:

There's a lot of inaccurate statements of NJ law in this thread, and some accurate statements.

I don't want to have to contact a freaking lawyer to find out the damn gun laws in Jersey.

I'm sorry, but considering that people have been convicted of felonious possession of an "assault weapon" for owning unregistered tube fed magazine .22lr autoloaders, (a Model 60, IIRC), you do need to have a really good grasp of what's in, what's out, and why, because in New Jersey, "When dealing with guns, the citizen acts at his peril." (NJ v. Pelleteri)

Please see this recent, parallel thread on NJ AWB:

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=361486


Pay attention to the posts of Tom488 and myself.

 

[phoglund]

All this talk and looking through the laws on purchasing any firearm in New Jersey has given me the urge to go out and buy the evilest AK-47 clone I can find...just because I can!

I lived in NJ as a kid and am now pleased more than ever I left many years ago.

"Firearms Purchaser ID Card" ??? ***? :banghead:

 

[delta53]

quik sand

the gun laws in NJ have become mine field for the legal citizen once the police come to you house or pull you over they use there bag of encripted gun laws to take your guns,you or both back to there club house and let you get a lawyer to try and clear youself. to stay out of jail you have to almoust become a lawyer. Remember were the domestic violence law was born right here a back door way to get your guns.this state makes me sick .

 

[HGUNHNTR]

In jersey the letters themselves (AK or MAK) can get you into trouble. In this ridiculous state it has even less to do with features than you may think. H#^^ I bet you could go to prison if you had a kleenex box with the letters AK printed on the side.

Yes, I do have personal first hand experience with NJ laws and their incorrect interpretation. A word of wisdom, don't even try to find a legal AK variant, you will undoubtedly be arrested and have to spend money defending yourself even if you are not in the wrong. ie. IT cost me $3500.

Its not worth it, either move or find a different toy.

if you have legal questions concerning firearms in NJ contact Evan Nappen attorney at Law.
He is the best NJ has to offer.

 

[amram]

Evan Nappen -- don't bother

I tried to make a frigging appointment with him -- to pay for his time and expertise -- in order to ask questions before I purchased (yet another weapon). His office did not want to make an appointment for me! I was incredulous, so I wrote another nice email and got nowhere. A third email that contained some specifics questions got me an boiler-plate answer worthy of your standard responses on many of the boards -- nothing new, no insights that I _wanted_ to pay for. Can't really figure out what the deal is what that firm. Probably they just want to speak with you after you've been indicted, cause that's where the big bucks are -- trials, not an hour's conference with someone who want's to avoid violating the law. BTW, it was his son who responded to me in the name of the firm. I would recommend another outfit.

 

[belial1982]

wasr10 legal status

yes a wasr10 ak-47 is legal i recently bought one from my local FFL. dealer in new jersey

 

[delta53]

Mak 90

I think a MAK90 is legal and a case has been brought to court to prove it that would be your best bet but there are others that get around the laws I have been to gun shows in Pa that have cases of guns that are marketed for NJ citizens just ask the FFL sellers @ Harrisburg,PA

 

[Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow]

Clearly, this was drawn up by lawyers who knew little about guns.

Clearly, this was drawn up by staffers of lawmakers, on the advice of the Brady Campaign bigshots - staffers who may or may not have gone to law school but never practiced law a day in their life in private practice..

Fixed it for ya. If they had, they'd probably have been exposed to enough crimlaw to know the difference between a barrel shroud and a shoulder thing that goes up.

T.R. - the word is "pique" or "piqued" - .

 

[PTR-91 Guy]

NJ Legal

Ilive in NJ and just bought a legal assault rifle. the following criteria must be met in order to be legal:

No flash hider
No Bayonet lug
Max. Mag. capacity = 5 rounds

Single or double receivers don't matter

 

[Golden_006]

Why don't you just move to Long island? I still have no idea why anyone who care about firearms lives in New Jersey. Or for that matter why anyone lives in New Jersey period.

 

[anbwbm]

The reason behind banning the bayonet mounts/"grenade launchers"/et al is not because they're afraid of people running around slashing others, or actually launching grenades, but by banning these, the supply of firearms that you can 'legally' own in NJ becomes much much smaller. The ones that are deemed to be 'legal' by the corrupt politicians will cost a lot more, and will hinder some people from buying them. If you can still afford it, you are just punished financially for exercising your rights. Period. It's the same with machine guns. Just needs $200 tax, lots of forms, but it's legal. Catch is it has to be made before 1986. Not that there's any difference between one made in '86 and one made in '87, but it limits the supply, thus significantly increasing the cost. Makes it that much harder to own. That's their way of controlling the citizens and restricting their right to keep and bear arms. NJ is a disgusting state. Highest taxes in the country, most corruption, high rate of crime, high restriction of God-given rights. Can't wait to move out as soon as I have a chance.