cuchulainn
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from the Santa Fe New Mexican
http://santafenewmexican.com/site/news.cfm?BRD=2144&dept_id=414519&newsid=7449000&PAG=461&rfi=9
http://santafenewmexican.com/site/news.cfm?BRD=2144&dept_id=414519&newsid=7449000&PAG=461&rfi=9
New Mexico: "Bills Would Allow Concealed Weapons"
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SDC
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Isn't it funny how the anti-CCW people are always predicting "blood in the streets" when a self-defence law goes into effect? Has there EVER been a case of a jurisdiction experiencing a RISE in homicide or assaults after one of these laws, or are they just letting their imaginations run wild again?
Standing Wolf
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Predictions based on irrational fear and rampaging statism rarely amount to much in reality.
Bergeron
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Why is the law applying to those over the age of 25?
I happen to think that is pretty weird, is one not considered a full adult in the state of New Mexico until the age of 25?
I happen to think that is pretty weird, is one not considered a full adult in the state of New Mexico until the age of 25?
Gray Peterson
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I already have a thread on this. Merge needed?
Btw, NMSSA is trying to kill this bill. The entire committee process was to destroy this bill to the point that no one would support it. Unless something happens on the House floor to remove this onerous language, it needs to get killed.
Btw, NMSSA is trying to kill this bill. The entire committee process was to destroy this bill to the point that no one would support it. Unless something happens on the House floor to remove this onerous language, it needs to get killed.
bogie
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Campers, IMHO, it's better to have a 25+ law that can be amended in the future, than to not have one...
Of course, one could have Vermont-style, but for most areas, that just ain't gonna happen. So be satisfied with getting your nose under the tent, and then when you're there, start workin' on the gettin' the rump inside...
Of course, one could have Vermont-style, but for most areas, that just ain't gonna happen. So be satisfied with getting your nose under the tent, and then when you're there, start workin' on the gettin' the rump inside...
Gray Peterson
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I say bull.
For one thing, I'm 21 years of age. You expect my fellow 21 year old NM's to wait 4 years?
Second, the Oklahoma Legislature passed the OSDA back in 1995, and it had a 23 year old age provision. Only this year are they getting around to lowering the age to 21, which has been 8 years!!! How many 21-25 year olds have to die for the legislature to get around to doing something about it?
I can apply that same logic to 18-21 year olds in most states, but right now, that's neither here nor there.
fallingblock
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Hold On, Lonnie....
If you are not familiar with the fight in N.M., this push-shove match has been going on for some time now. There are some dedicated opponents to CCW in the state, but they have been outclassed recently.
For New Mexico, I think the most effective strategy is the 'camel' approach. we'll get there, and sooner than you think.
The governor, Bill Richardson, will sign this bill, and then it will be in place for the amendments coming next year. We gotta win slowly in some states, but we're winning in N.M.
If you are not familiar with the fight in N.M., this push-shove match has been going on for some time now. There are some dedicated opponents to CCW in the state, but they have been outclassed recently.
For New Mexico, I think the most effective strategy is the 'camel' approach. we'll get there, and sooner than you think.
The governor, Bill Richardson, will sign this bill, and then it will be in place for the amendments coming next year. We gotta win slowly in some states, but we're winning in N.M.
Gray Peterson
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I don't think anyone can call this a win. It's certainly not a win for me, and it certainly wouldn't be a win if they could raise the age with any impunity.
El Tejon
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25? Certain calibers? Man, that stinks. How about reciprocity? Anything?
If it is signed, I hope our square state friends follow up with a counterattack.
If it is signed, I hope our square state friends follow up with a counterattack.
Gray Peterson
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How about applying, getting denied, and then suing the
out of them.fallingblock
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I didn't say it was a 'win'....
I said we were 'winning slowly'.
Getting CCW just the way we want it first time around would be great, but that isn't the way it worked in N.M.
We got this bill through, with attempts from the anti-gun demorats to gut it, but all that was in fact lost was:
A. the reduction of the permit length to two years from four (it was one year in the initial attempt last year!).
B: the increase in age to 25-which is a rotten move on the anti's part, but we can fix it with an amendment once the legislation is in place.
Sometimes you just gotta 'win slowly'
I said we were 'winning slowly'.
Getting CCW just the way we want it first time around would be great, but that isn't the way it worked in N.M.
We got this bill through, with attempts from the anti-gun demorats to gut it, but all that was in fact lost was:
A. the reduction of the permit length to two years from four (it was one year in the initial attempt last year!).
B: the increase in age to 25-which is a rotten move on the anti's part, but we can fix it with an amendment once the legislation is in place.
Sometimes you just gotta 'win slowly'
Jim March
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That would be my first thought: the age-25 thing won't hold up under equal protection law!
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