chicharrones
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S&W can call that Marlin engineered/Henry modified gun whatever they want. The patent is long gone, so no reason S&W can't make a Marlin clone, too.
S&W can call that Marlin engineered/Henry modified gun whatever they want. The patent is long gone, so no reason S&W can't make a Marlin clone, too.
eddiememphis
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You guys are funny.
"This stinks! It should have been a ____!"
What makes you think this is the only caliber that will be offered?
The guy from Smith in a video says they came out with this one first since it is in the middle of possible sizes. To me that means a variety of cartridges will be available.
Of course they will make one in at least .500 Magnum. That is their flagship magnum pistol round and with a lack of other rifles chambered for it, it would/ will sell like hotcakes.
"This stinks! It should have been a ____!"
What makes you think this is the only caliber that will be offered?
The guy from Smith in a video says they came out with this one first since it is in the middle of possible sizes. To me that means a variety of cartridges will be available.
Of course they will make one in at least .500 Magnum. That is their flagship magnum pistol round and with a lack of other rifles chambered for it, it would/ will sell like hotcakes.
chicharrones
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Same here. Which is partly why I have a 39 and an 1894.
And if they do I might buy one. The rifle is not ugly. And there is nothing there I cannot work with. I do not like the 22 rimfie removable mag tube but I can live with it. A tough, rugged, stainless steel rifle that can mount a light, slings, a NV scope and live in my Jeep without a worry.
eddiememphis
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If I could find one, I'd get the limited edition. I would want to see it in person before I spend $3500 but it likely will prove to be a good investment.
Bathing suit. TMI
codytrucker
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That's pretty bad , coming from someone named " Show Me" !!
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I was thinking the same thing when I saw it was chambered for the .44 Magnum. A rifle like that, chambered for the .460 S&W round would make for a very versatile gun and easy to pair it up with any .45 Colt, .454 Casull, or 460 V revolver.
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Look, Smith was the one conjuring up its history as the impetus for the new gun, but mechanically it has no connection. You're welcome to your opinion otherwise. I simply stated mine.
Moon
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I won't find fault with a .44 Mag carbine. I've a '94 Marlin, bobbed to 16", and it is a wonderful woods gun. I've taken a bunch of deer with it over the years, my very first deer included. I had lots of advice, years ago as a rookie hunter, about tracking hit deer. It was unneeded advice; never had to track a one. They were DRT.
I wish Smith every success, my reservations noted. Just, personally, don't need a second .44 Mag carbine.
Moon
I wish Smith every success, my reservations noted. Just, personally, don't need a second .44 Mag carbine.
Moon
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I believe the '1854' is referring to when Smith & Wesson teamed up and worked on the Volcanic rifle/pistol designs, creating essentially the first lever action rifle. The promotional ad showing the Volcanic pistol, along with the "Back to our roots" campaign slogan, had me thinking the release would be a lever gun. Not sure how faithful the new S&W rifle is to the original design - certainly looks more like a tactical-ized Marlin 1894 to me. The Volcanic rifle had a tube loading magazine, which this new model retained.
Wonder if/when they'll add offerings in other calibers. With what I've seen, a lot of people want a Marlin 1894 in .357 mag but can't find one at an acceptable price point, and this could be a good alternative. Love the idea of .460 S&W, too. Could appeal to folks looking for a bear gun in the deep woods.
Always support a new pistol caliber levergun on the market, though. They're super hot now, and S&W is staking a claim here. Personally prefer the Winchester '86/'92 look, but good on S&W for having the adventurous spirit to get into the modern lever action game and remind us of their heritage.
Wonder if/when they'll add offerings in other calibers. With what I've seen, a lot of people want a Marlin 1894 in .357 mag but can't find one at an acceptable price point, and this could be a good alternative. Love the idea of .460 S&W, too. Could appeal to folks looking for a bear gun in the deep woods.
Always support a new pistol caliber levergun on the market, though. They're super hot now, and S&W is staking a claim here. Personally prefer the Winchester '86/'92 look, but good on S&W for having the adventurous spirit to get into the modern lever action game and remind us of their heritage.
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Dan Forrester
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I really wish blued steel and wood, would come back in style. I’m just really, really, sick of quasi-tactical plastic and matte finishes.
I suppose, as Hank jr. said, I’m a dinosaur.
I suppose, as Hank jr. said, I’m a dinosaur.
troy fairweather
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A O ring works pretty good to.
The only reall "issue" if you can call it that that I see is the name. Give it a new name and quit trying to reference history that is not there. I like the stainless and black all weather. I like the mag tube, I've always thought unloading an old lever action was weird and wrong. I like options for lights, and optics. I think it would be a great rifle for shortish distance and medium deer sized game. I like options though, and am sure it will likely be offerend in other calibers, posssibly some I like and some I just wont understand. I like newer modern lever actions because I like choices. If it doesnt appeal to me I don't buy it 
-Jeff
-Jeff
someguy2800
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There is a wood model too, but make sure you are sitting down....
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I hear you; it's one of the reasons I love 19th Century repos. But, in sloppy deer woods, the stainless/synthetic makes sense. I can recall some opening days, when I hated to take a nice rifle out in a downpour.
(Too, our camp had a tin roof; greatest sound in the world.
)Moon
someguy2800
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I hear you; it's one of the reasons I love 19th Century repos. But, in sloppy deer woods, the stainless/synthetic makes sense. I can recall some opening days, when I hated to take a nice rifle out in a downpour.
(Too, our camp had a tin roof; greatest sound in the world.
Moon
I really appreciate my AR's when I'm dragging a buck out of the slough in the rain.
CraigC
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The 336 and 1895 are the same size. Probably the same receiver.
None of them are applicable to the .454. I doubt the 336 is any stronger than the 1894.
MachIVshooter
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The example of 1895 I have is slightly longer, wider and taller than my 336. The difference isn't huge (.025"L, .013"W, .02"H), but my 1895 is nonetheless a dimensionally larger receiver. They do have the same bolt diameter, so may be attributable to manufacturing tolerances on external dimensions, but it's what I have to go on.
My original 1900 mfr 1895 square bolt is significantly larger than the 336 and it's 36/1893 predecessors.
As for 336/444/1895 receiver strength vs. the 1894, while I haven't loaded anything in them to the point of failure, I have always understood the reason for the change from the original 1895 and 1893/36 square bolt to round was about increasing receiver strength, and having a full radius instead of square cut that's open on one side definitely makes for a stronger part. Round bolt receiver is certainly not more attractive or easier to manufacture, so I can't see why else the change would have been made. Is the locking lug any stronger? I don't know, but the receiver geometry would make it so the lug has to shear off rather than the bolt being able to deform the receiver and start riding up over the lug.
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chicharrones
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I agree, it’s a good lookin’ 21st century lever gun.
W.E.G.
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I think Marlin has you covered on that.
Gunbroker about same price as the new Smith and Wesson
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The Henry looks pretty nice too.
On Gunbroker
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