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New Sphinx Pistols

Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by Safetyfirst, Oct 24, 2013.

  1. Safetyfirst

    Safetyfirst member

    From what I can find they're a little pricey. The manufacturer states that parts are individually hand-fitted for tighter tolerances. The heaviest stainless steel model is still under 29 ounces. The SA pull is supposed to be one of the best out there at 3.3 pounds. I think they're great if you have that much cash lying around, what do you think?

  2. PabloJ

    PabloJ Well-Known Member

    Sorry no comment.
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  3. Walt Sherrill

    Walt Sherrill Well-Known Member

    I've had several of the older, 2000 series Sphinx pistols. They are every bit as good as claimed. They are, in effect, semi-custom CZs.

    Mine were just so pretty (high gloss stainless frames) that I didn't want to mess up their prettiness. Some of the newer ones have different frames: steel, steel/polymer, or polymer.
  4. bannockburn

    bannockburn Well-Known Member

    I remember the earlier Sphinx models as well and they had a very high level of fit and finish. These new ones don't appear to be as nicely finished and look more like they're copies of the CZ P-07 design.
  5. Walt Sherrill

    Walt Sherrill Well-Known Member

    The new Sphinx guns do look somewhat like a P-07, but the frame design is quite different. The new Sphinx models have modular frames which can be all steel, half steel half polymer, or all polymer. The company says they are designed for mass production, so the level of fit and finish is likely to be less high-end than prior models; the prices are supposed to be less than half the price of the older (more hand-fit) models. Here's a link to their website.


    To satisfy my own curiousity, I downloaded the USERS manuals from both the Sphinx and CZ websites, and the two guns have major differences that range from the barrel lockup method (which in the case of the CZ is more like the SIG, while the Sphinx is more like the older CZ-75), to many other differences in how the guns perform similar functions.

    The P-07 is clearly seems designed to be a polymer-framed design, with more reliance on MODULAR units internally than the Sphinx. Externally, they look a LOT alike; internally, they're quite different.

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  6. mmissile

    mmissile Well-Known Member

    I have the compact in lay-away, plus a sub-compact and Kryptonight coming in the first batch shipped to my FFL's from Kriss.:)
  7. Walt Sherrill

    Walt Sherrill Well-Known Member

    It's not nice to brag like that.... (Let us know how they shoot!!)
  8. Edarnold

    Edarnold Well-Known Member

    Goodness! 29 ounces: won't that enormous weight drag your trousers down when holstered? Why would you want funny looking gun made by furriners and costing a lot of money when you could get a Glock?

    Sorry, I was having a flashback to the HK P7 discussion...
  9. Pilot

    Pilot Well-Known Member

    Meh. More railed, boxy crap.
  10. M2 Carbine

    M2 Carbine Well-Known Member

    I've had the AT.380M for some years now. As I recall it was a little expensive but it's a nice gun.


    Mostly I'm not a fan of DAO guns but the Sphinx is right smooth and accurate. This one shoots a little low and left though.

    10 yards.

    Can't say I like the looks of those new guns.

  11. PabloJ

    PabloJ Well-Known Member

    The high cost is for privilege of owning and shooting one of their products. You know like the "prestige" of wearing watch with little gold crown on the dial. While not as accurate as my Casio these are frighteningly expensive and only very rich people wear them.
  12. 5-SHOTS

    5-SHOTS Well-Known Member

    Yes, they are pricey, but they are very, very fine pieces of machinery with tight tolerances and high quality materials. The new ones are not as good looking as the old ones (they are kind of more aggressive looking) with a particular two piece frame, but I'm jet to see better groups on paper than the Sphinx's ones on the gun magazines.
  13. bc1023

    bc1023 Well-Known Member


    This line is newer, but there is nothing new about Sphinx pistols. They are very high quality clones of the CZ 75 design.
  14. bc1023

    bc1023 Well-Known Member

    I have a Sphinx Competitor, which is a very rare competition oriented version of the 2000 series. In my opinion, the 2000 series where the best pistols they ever built. :)

    The Competitor has the comp and is factory drilled for mounting optics. I'm not one for optics, but the gun is extremely well built and shoots lights out.


  15. runlevelsix

    runlevelsix Member

    Pass. We already have enough pistols on the market with a ridiculous price because of the name.
  16. Walt Sherrill

    Walt Sherrill Well-Known Member

    The company that later became Sphinx (or was a predecessor), ITM, built a number of licensed clones of the CZ. The earliest was the AT-84. Their later guns were similar, but based on the Tanfoglio-pattern, which was and is similar, but no longer a clone. I have had several AT-84s models, and have a custom AT-84s that is as good or better than the two Sphinxes I once owned. They (both 2000 series) were very high quality.

    The newest guns, if you examine them closely (by comparing the parts diagrams, etc., which I did a day or so ago), are even less clones than before -- they've gone a somewhat different route that either CZ or Tanfoglio.

    They seem to be nice guns, and the company has a reputation for building quality guns. If the new ones are priced much lower than the old ones, and that is their claimed intent, they should be real competition for all of the CZ-pattern guns with which they will compete. (It's hard to call these CZ-pattern, as they are quite different internally.)
  17. TennJed

    TennJed Well-Known Member

    that AT 380 is very interesting. I am a big fan of slide mounted safety/decockers. Is it a double stack? Do you have the specs on it?
  18. PabloJ

    PabloJ Well-Known Member

    It's rich man's CZ83.
  19. mmissile

    mmissile Well-Known Member

    They[Sphinx/Kriss] are lowering the retail prices of the new models. I shot the compact, and it's VERY nice.
  20. Walt Sherrill

    Walt Sherrill Well-Known Member

    The AT380 is double-stack (10 rounds), Double Action Only (with safety) and much smaller than the CZ-83. I'd argue that it's more like a slightly larger double-stack Seecamp than a CZ-83.

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