New Springfield EMP
- Thread starter jimk66
- Start date
- Status
Mikehos
Member
Have run several JHP's through my EMP
Hopefully it will save you some $$. I have spent a small fortune looking for a JHP it will eat.
Here is a list of the JHP ammo I have tried.
Speer Gold Dot 147 grain 20 rounds no problem.
Speer Gold Dot 115 grain 10 rounds no problem
Remington Golden Saber 147 grain 1 missfeed in 50 rounds. 1st two mags no problem third mag 1 missfeed then none for remainder of the box.
Remington is what the folks at Springfield recommended.
Federal Hydra Shok 147 grain 2 miss feeds in 20 rounds. (1 missfeed per mag)
Hornady TAP 147 grain. 1 miss feed per each mag. 2 miss feeds in one.
Hornady JHP/XTP same story as TAP.
Winchester Talon +P+ dont even bother. 1 or 2 missfeeds or failed primer strikes per mag in 27 rounds.
The folks at Springfield said to stay away from +p and especially +p+.
Springfield is telling me the feed ramp needs to be polished and that I need to run 500-600 rounds through it to break it in.
It certainly feeds the JHP's better after 500 rounds of ball ammo, but still not enough, with the exception of the speer gold dots, to instill confidence if you are relying on it for personal defense.
That said I am confident that polishing the feed ramp will fix the feed issues. I will be sending it to Springfield and will report on the outcome.
I still really love this gun and recomend it to anyone.
Mike
Hopefully it will save you some $$. I have spent a small fortune looking for a JHP it will eat.
Here is a list of the JHP ammo I have tried.
Speer Gold Dot 147 grain 20 rounds no problem.
Speer Gold Dot 115 grain 10 rounds no problem
Remington Golden Saber 147 grain 1 missfeed in 50 rounds. 1st two mags no problem third mag 1 missfeed then none for remainder of the box.
Remington is what the folks at Springfield recommended.
Federal Hydra Shok 147 grain 2 miss feeds in 20 rounds. (1 missfeed per mag)
Hornady TAP 147 grain. 1 miss feed per each mag. 2 miss feeds in one.
Hornady JHP/XTP same story as TAP.
Winchester Talon +P+ dont even bother. 1 or 2 missfeeds or failed primer strikes per mag in 27 rounds.
The folks at Springfield said to stay away from +p and especially +p+.
Springfield is telling me the feed ramp needs to be polished and that I need to run 500-600 rounds through it to break it in.
It certainly feeds the JHP's better after 500 rounds of ball ammo, but still not enough, with the exception of the speer gold dots, to instill confidence if you are relying on it for personal defense.
That said I am confident that polishing the feed ramp will fix the feed issues. I will be sending it to Springfield and will report on the outcome.
I still really love this gun and recomend it to anyone.
Mike
AWMP
Member
- Joined
- May 7, 2003
- Messages
- 121
I played with an EMP today at a local gunshop, what a sweet pistol but dang looking at the cost my pocket went ouch.
I think I have two other pistols I would like to get first then this one. I almost purchased one when they first came out but decided to wait at the last minute due to all the first compliants with the pistol.
Great carry pistol, really nice looking.
I think I have two other pistols I would like to get first then this one. I almost purchased one when they first came out but decided to wait at the last minute due to all the first compliants with the pistol.
Great carry pistol, really nice looking.
jimk66
Member
Hey Everyone, I've had my EMP a couple of months now and fired probably over 800 rounds through it. And...yes it cost a pretty nickle...but I haven't regreted the purchase of this little beauty from the first time I saw it. What a wonderful little 9mm micro 1911 pistol.
It's a perfect match for me physically and thus it's turned out to be one of the most accurate grab point and shoot pistol I've owned. It is as reliable a gun as a fellow could ever dream of with 147 gr JHP's which are stoppers in my book or just regular plain old Wall-Mart target rounds.
Best,
JimK
It's a perfect match for me physically and thus it's turned out to be one of the most accurate grab point and shoot pistol I've owned. It is as reliable a gun as a fellow could ever dream of with 147 gr JHP's which are stoppers in my book or just regular plain old Wall-Mart target rounds.
Best,
JimK
Lonestar49
Member
Jim: What make of JHP
...
Can you share with us, the Brand/make, type 147gr JHP's you're having 100% success with?
And how many total rounds (FMJ & JHP) you think, or know, you have thru her with this success?
Thanks,
LS
...
Can you share with us, the Brand/make, type 147gr JHP's you're having 100% success with?
And how many total rounds (FMJ & JHP) you think, or know, you have thru her with this success?
Thanks,
LS
jimk66
Member
Lonestar, The Speer GD and Remington Saber 147 gr's jhp's have performed wonderfully in my EMP. And my guess is I've probably fired a total of 200 or so of each without any problems at all. FMJ's probably 4-500 and usually Win 115 gr. I plan on doing some experimenting with different bullets loads as soon as it cools off down here so I can work out in the shop.
I might add I polished the ramp on my EMP myself. This is a habit I gotten into when I first get all my pistols. I also disassemble clean and lube each of the mags at the same time I feild strip and clean my pistols immediately (or as soon as possible) after each range session. I might also mention Winchester and Fed HS ammo haven't done too badly either, but not perfect. Maybe my EMP is an exception, but I'm very happy with it.
Hope this helps,
JimK
I might add I polished the ramp on my EMP myself. This is a habit I gotten into when I first get all my pistols. I also disassemble clean and lube each of the mags at the same time I feild strip and clean my pistols immediately (or as soon as possible) after each range session. I might also mention Winchester and Fed HS ammo haven't done too badly either, but not perfect. Maybe my EMP is an exception, but I'm very happy with it.
Hope this helps,
JimK
Lonestar49
Member
Great Report Jim
...
Yep, I have had great results with Remington, Gold Saber, ammo as well, with all my other guns.
Just curious as the what the factory says what we can use, and not to use, in regards to TAP or +P ammo, as I do not use any of that kind except TAP ammo by Hornady, for my 40cal, and Sig 9mm for HD/SD.
Curious if you know their specs on the ok, and not to, use ammo for our little EMP's?
Again, thanks for the informative report, and like you, I cleaned the mags, gun, and use EEZOX on the feed ramps and interior of all my guns and magazines, as it bonds with metal, and wipes, then drys, not to attract dust, powder residue, etc.. good stuff.
LS
...
Yep, I have had great results with Remington, Gold Saber, ammo as well, with all my other guns.
Just curious as the what the factory says what we can use, and not to use, in regards to TAP or +P ammo, as I do not use any of that kind except TAP ammo by Hornady, for my 40cal, and Sig 9mm for HD/SD.
Curious if you know their specs on the ok, and not to, use ammo for our little EMP's?
Again, thanks for the informative report, and like you, I cleaned the mags, gun, and use EEZOX on the feed ramps and interior of all my guns and magazines, as it bonds with metal, and wipes, then drys, not to attract dust, powder residue, etc.. good stuff.
LS
Mikehos
Member
Factory told me to use Remington golden sabers.
I went to the range again today and ran another 100 rounds of ball ammo through it for a total of 600 rounds to date. I then fed it a box of Hornady JHP and Federal hydra shoks. It ate everything perfectly. The factory told me that 750 rounds is the break in point. I think it hit it at 600. I feel pretty confident now to load it with PD ammo and carry it.
This is still my favorite gun to shoot. Worth every penny.
I went to the range again today and ran another 100 rounds of ball ammo through it for a total of 600 rounds to date. I then fed it a box of Hornady JHP and Federal hydra shoks. It ate everything perfectly. The factory told me that 750 rounds is the break in point. I think it hit it at 600. I feel pretty confident now to load it with PD ammo and carry it.
This is still my favorite gun to shoot. Worth every penny.
Lonestar49
Member
OK, thanks Mike
...
I missed your factory report up above, but just ran across it, and the factory specs for NOT using any +P or +P+ ammo. Makes since.
What gr weight in the Golden Sabers are you using in JHP's?
LS
PS.. my EMP only has 450 rounds of FMJ out her, and as stated, 20 of the Federal 105gr "Expanding FMJ", went fine, but not the Hydra shok 135gr by Federal as I could only fire one shot at a time, and next round would not chamber 100% unless I dropped out the mag and slingshot the slide. This happened 5 shots in a row, so I stopped using/trying the 135gr JHP Hydra Shoks.
...
I missed your factory report up above, but just ran across it, and the factory specs for NOT using any +P or +P+ ammo. Makes since.
What gr weight in the Golden Sabers are you using in JHP's?
LS
PS.. my EMP only has 450 rounds of FMJ out her, and as stated, 20 of the Federal 105gr "Expanding FMJ", went fine, but not the Hydra shok 135gr by Federal as I could only fire one shot at a time, and next round would not chamber 100% unless I dropped out the mag and slingshot the slide. This happened 5 shots in a row, so I stopped using/trying the 135gr JHP Hydra Shoks.
Last edited:
brownie0486
Member
I've only put wwb fmj through mine for practice and it eats the 147 Ranger T's with applaum.
Brownie
Brownie
Mikehos
Member
I was using the 147 grain Remington Golden Sabers.
Just got my hands on one today. I'm reading some of these posts and I'm not sure about the +p not feeding. I got a box of that magtech Luger+p 155gr Jhp..I guess this is a combo round.... Not really a problem I guess.. cause I usually only carry starfire. I will probably have the SF on the ready until some I run some further tests.
brownie0486
Member
If it could handle +P just for carry I would look at it much more seriously.
9mm's don't need +P to perform well on the streets. The 147 ranger T's the San Jose PD uses were 9 for 9 one shot stops on the streets in their g17's when they went to that load after considerable testing.
Brownie
9mm's don't need +P to perform well on the streets. The 147 ranger T's the San Jose PD uses were 9 for 9 one shot stops on the streets in their g17's when they went to that load after considerable testing.
Brownie
Okay.. I'm a "newbie" at actually having problems with ammo.... If you look up at my previous post.. I said I carry starfire which is JHP... but the few boxes of Magtech Gaurdian Gold that dealer gave to me, cause he was out of SF. My confusion is this... I'm not an expert at ammo and certain weapons, mainly because I have never really had a FTF or FTL with any weapon I own. (I did not "own" the M16 and M4. :-D)
This Luger+P JHp designation is throwing me off. So, if you would please explain to me whats all the hooplaa about.
I quote this from the manual: pg 56
"1911-A1 Ultra-Compact Pistols are designed to use standard pressure ball ammo and self-defense loads. +P ammunition is not recommended in pistols shorter than 5 inches. Use only clean, dry, original, high-quality, commercially manufactured ammuntion. "
So.. I don't know if i'm understanding it right.. my free ammo is just +P and shouldn't used with the EMP... the JHP is just an "unimportant" designation given to all ammo of this type?
This Luger+P JHp designation is throwing me off. So, if you would please explain to me whats all the hooplaa about.
I quote this from the manual: pg 56
"1911-A1 Ultra-Compact Pistols are designed to use standard pressure ball ammo and self-defense loads. +P ammunition is not recommended in pistols shorter than 5 inches. Use only clean, dry, original, high-quality, commercially manufactured ammuntion. "
So.. I don't know if i'm understanding it right.. my free ammo is just +P and shouldn't used with the EMP... the JHP is just an "unimportant" designation given to all ammo of this type?
Last edited:
Lonestar49
Member
JHP, standard loads, you're good to go
...
Correct..
You can use 115gr, 124gr, 135gr, or 147gr standard load JHP's in your EMP.
You can feel the difference in recoil with the different weights, with the *lighter bullets going faster, straighter, longer, but with more snap, as opposed to the heavier bullets going a bit slower, not as straight, over longer shots, but with less recoil.
*To each his own, as there is a fine line for every ones feel of what weight works best for both, best penetration, and follow-up shots with accuracy.
Right now, I'm in the 124gr JHP boat.. but still in the testing stage on which JHP weight I'm gonna use for HD/SD, with best all around feel and results with my EMP. And that includes the wife and her needs with the EMP for HD/SD and within 16ft, out to 50ft, range.
LS
...
Correct..
You can use 115gr, 124gr, 135gr, or 147gr standard load JHP's in your EMP.
You can feel the difference in recoil with the different weights, with the *lighter bullets going faster, straighter, longer, but with more snap, as opposed to the heavier bullets going a bit slower, not as straight, over longer shots, but with less recoil.
*To each his own, as there is a fine line for every ones feel of what weight works best for both, best penetration, and follow-up shots with accuracy.
Right now, I'm in the 124gr JHP boat.. but still in the testing stage on which JHP weight I'm gonna use for HD/SD, with best all around feel and results with my EMP. And that includes the wife and her needs with the EMP for HD/SD and within 16ft, out to 50ft, range.
LS
Lonestar49
Member
...
As long as it is not +P 115gr.. It would say +P on the box if it was a hotter load, powder wise, on any make, weight, JHP ammo.
Any +P ammo means that it will expand greater/with more power, within the barrel, making for a "pressure-load" too
great/much for the 3" barrel, as it expands faster, with more PPSI, expelling the bullet at a faster speed... (something like that).
No +P on the box, just 115gr JHP only or, 124gr, 135gr, 147gr, and you're good to go.
LS
As long as it is not +P 115gr.. It would say +P on the box if it was a hotter load, powder wise, on any make, weight, JHP ammo.
Any +P ammo means that it will expand greater/with more power, within the barrel, making for a "pressure-load" too
great/much for the 3" barrel, as it expands faster, with more PPSI, expelling the bullet at a faster speed... (something like that).
No +P on the box, just 115gr JHP only or, 124gr, 135gr, 147gr, and you're good to go.
LS
Last edited:
jimk66
Member
LS, How you doing this morning? You gave me the impression you loaded your own ammo and I would be very interested in what load and weight you finally decide on. As soon as the weather cools down enough for me to work out in the garage/shop I'm going to be doing the same thing for the 9mm and 380's.
Loading my own ammo is a new thing for me and fortunately my first attempt proved to be successful With 45's. Although this is the wrong forum for it I might hit you up for some advice on the subject from time to time if you don't mind. lol
Best,
JimK
Loading my own ammo is a new thing for me and fortunately my first attempt proved to be successful With 45's. Although this is the wrong forum for it I might hit you up for some advice on the subject from time to time if you don't mind. lol
Best,
JimK
Advice / Look what I did
Okay, I was going to ask *** would I do with the assessory mount on the holster that came with the EMP?( just didn't see any reason for it). on the mag holders too. So, I did this experiment with my P22 and the EMP.. This is not a serious thread, I'm just messing around with it (I do crazy stuff like this, I own a Mac, PC, and Linux box). Tell me what you guys think.
Okay, I was going to ask *** would I do with the assessory mount on the holster that came with the EMP?( just didn't see any reason for it). on the mag holders too. So, I did this experiment with my P22 and the EMP.. This is not a serious thread, I'm just messing around with it (I do crazy stuff like this, I own a Mac, PC, and Linux box). Tell me what you guys think.
Attachments
Last edited:
tegemu
Member
Welcome to a large and rapidly growing club.
Lonestar49
Member
Logic at its best..
...
AWMP,
lol, as some good/right shot placements will do the job with what ever non +P gr bullets you like best, recoil, and follow-up shots, wise.
Any where except So. Calif, and maybe NY, should be looking at high 700's, up too, like here, sigh, 1k..
But, from what I've seen in the last 4 weeks since I got mine, (the only one they had, and since then) they're far and few to be had in my neck of the woods, so take it with a grain of salt, when you find one, that maybe the extra $ may be worth the wait to save that 100 bucks or so.
This is what my EMP replaced permanently, the Sig P232 SL 380 and, my Sig P229R CT 9mm from CCW, to full time duty as my night, and nightstand/bedroom, HD/SD gun.
Hope you find it soon, and lower than 1K..
LS
...
AWMP,
lol, as some good/right shot placements will do the job with what ever non +P gr bullets you like best, recoil, and follow-up shots, wise.
Any where except So. Calif, and maybe NY, should be looking at high 700's, up too, like here, sigh, 1k..
But, from what I've seen in the last 4 weeks since I got mine, (the only one they had, and since then) they're far and few to be had in my neck of the woods, so take it with a grain of salt, when you find one, that maybe the extra $ may be worth the wait to save that 100 bucks or so.
This is what my EMP replaced permanently, the Sig P232 SL 380 and, my Sig P229R CT 9mm from CCW, to full time duty as my night, and nightstand/bedroom, HD/SD gun.
Hope you find it soon, and lower than 1K..
LS
Last edited:
SEMO Shooter
Member
The EMP is a very sweet pistol. My wife has one and it's function is flawless. Accuracy is extremely good for such a short barrel pistol. I shoot almost as well at 25 yards with it as I do my full size 1911.
Phydeaux642
Member
- Joined
- Jul 16, 2007
- Messages
- 1,886
I really wanted one of these (still do), but at nearly $1,100,00 it was a little more than I was wanting to spend. I bought a Springfield Loaded 1911 instead. Maybe next year's bonus has a place to go already...
_____________
"Phydeaux, bad dog....no biscuit!"
_____________
"Phydeaux, bad dog....no biscuit!"
- Status
