IOwnTheWorld1994
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Is there a way I can go to the NICS site and type in my information and see whether or not I'm in good standing with my respective state or do I have to take it up another way?
So that means I have to make an attempt to buy a gun in order to see whether or not I'm cleared?No
You have to have an FFL and be registered with NICS
Yes. Like Nancy P said, you have to pass the bill to find out what is in it!So that means I have to make an attempt to buy a gun in order to see whether or not I'm cleared?
I confess to being a bit puzzled. I have no criminal record, but I think most of those who do know about it (some are even proud of it). The only thing that trips up some folks who don't think of it is the misdemeanor domestic abuse business.
Jim
Not necessarily true I've had several FFL holders tell me they've had people over the years answer yes to some of those questions and still get through the check. According to them they are required by law to run the check regardless of what you answer.How would you answer the questions on the 4473?
http://www.atf.gov/files/forms/download/atf-f-4473-1.pdf
A "YES" answer on Questions 11b through 11k makes you ineligible to acquire a firearm from a licensed dealer. The dealer would not even run a NICS check.
Yes, ABSOLUTELY true.Kyle M. Quote:
Originally Posted by dogtown tom View Post
How would you answer the questions on the 4473?
http://www.atf.gov/files/forms/downl...f-f-4473-1.pdf
A "YES" answer on Questions 11b through 11k makes you ineligible to acquire a firearm from a licensed dealer. The dealer would not even run a NICS check.
Not necessarily true I've had several FFL holders tell me they've had people over the years answer yes to some of those questions and still get through the check. According to them they are required by law to run the check regardless of what you answer.
Well then theres some ATF agents out there spreading some B.S., I talked to one of those dealers at about 8 o'clock this morning because I stopped to get some primers. He told me that the last time the ATF was in last January they told him he better be calling them in regardless. According to said agents being dishonorably discharged doesn't necessarily make you inellgible to purchase a firearm, it depends on why you were discharged. As far as the felonies go some people get them expunged or whatever they call it over the years, but technically they were still once convicted so they still answer yes. I'm not saying your wrong I'm just curious as to why the ATF would lie to a dealer.Yes, ABSOLUTELY true.
You and your "several FFL holders" need to spend a few minutes and read the instructions in the Form 4473.
The instructions on the Form 4473 (last paragraph of page 5 and top of page 6) tell the licensee to NOT contact NICS for a background check if the buyer answered "yes" to any of Questions 11b through 11l.
I find it difficult to believe that "several FFL holders" could be so stupid as to try and complete a sale to someone who answered "yes" to any of those questions. Answering "yes" to those questions means the buyer is a prohibited person and ineligible to be transferred a firearm.
A dealer who ignores the instructions, conducts a NICS check and subsequently completes the transfer commits a violation of Federal law. Passing a NICS check doesn't magically undo questions 11b- 11l. If he's lucky they'll just yank his FFL, but he could be fined or imprisoned for such an incredibly stupid act.
Dishonorable Discharge is equivalent to a Felony, (DD is handled through General Court Martials). Having a DD prohibits a person from possessing firearms and ammunition and disqualifies a person from purchasing a firearm. It would take a LOT for a person to get a DD, like rape and other sex crimes, drug dealing, murder.Well then theres some ATF agents out there spreading some B.S., I talked to one of those dealers at about 8 o'clock this morning because I stopped to get some primers. He told me that the last time the ATF was in last January they told him he better be calling them in regardless. According to said agents being dishonorably discharged doesn't necessarily make you inellgible to purchase a firearm, it depends on why you were discharged. As far as the felonies go some people get them expunged or whatever they call it over the years, but technically they were still once convicted so they still answer yes. I'm not saying your wrong I'm just curious as to why the ATF would lie to a dealer.
Imagine that.Kyle M.
Well then theres some ATF agents out there spreading some B.S.
Despite what the instructions say on the Form?... He told me that the last time the ATF was in last January they told him he better be calling them in regardless. According to said agents being dishonorably discharged doesn't necessarily make you inellgible to purchase a firearm....
No, it doesn't.it depends on why you were discharged.
You've not read the instructions either, have you?As far as the felonies go some people get them expunged or whatever they call it over the years, but technically they were still once convicted so they still answer yes.
I seriously doubt the ATF told the dealer any such "lie"...........the Form 4473 says in plain, easy to understand English why a "yes" answer disqualifies a buyer.I'm not saying your wrong I'm just curious as to why the ATF would lie to a dealer.