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Take a look at this permit application, then ask yourself how this could or could not (?) happen.
Link to PDF
http://www.monroecounty.gov/Image/Pistol Permit Application-City-revJul12.pdf
You know, this reminds me of an old joke demonstrating how bad racism used to be with respect to the right to vote: where the black guy was required to demonstrate his literacy by passing three tests...the first was to sign his name (on wax paper), the second to solve math problem (involving advanced calculus), and the third to demonstrate he could read (a Latin verse).
The only one he could do was the reading of the Latin verse, which he translated as: "It says 'There ain't gonna be no blacks voting here today'."
This <excrement> is every bit as asinine as the days when that type of impossible racist voting stuff was actually invoked.
"IF ANSWER TO ANY QUESTION IS YES, EXPLAIN HERE:" Followed by 1 2/3 lines to explain. Nice.
Provide 4 character references, but you essentially can't use anybody you know or, Heaven forbid, a law enforcement officer as a reference. Nice.
They're a "pass through" agency...but it takes 6-8 months to process the application. Nice.
Sealed records CAN be accessed by NY law during the gun application process. However, I'm not sure about "expunged" records. Nice. Expunged records, however, are supposed to be completely eradicated, period. I wonder if a case can be made for a law suit if one does not report an expunged case during this. Nice. Especially given the NY requirements for sealing a case. (Essentially
http://www.papillonfoundation.org/images/New_York_Bench_Guide_for_Sealing_Criminal_Records.pdf
http://research.lawyers.com/New-York/New-York-Expungement-and-Record-Sealing.html
The Department of Mental Hygene form...requires no legal consent signatures from the person applying in order to obtain confidential doctor-patient information? Nice.
"List all parties who reside at the listed address, include DOB's and any cellular or other telephone information for each individual listed:" In 1 1/2 lines of space? And WHY is this information required? They're asking for Personally Identifiable Information on third parties? Without any proper legal notifications of such on the paperwork? And isn't cell phone information something that the INDIVIDUAL should give out, not third parties? Nice.
List children? Why? Nice.
List your entire DATING HISTORY for the last ten years? ("significant relationship") Nice.
List children by previous significant other/spouse? Why? And then provide Personally Identifiable Information without the proper legal notifications on the paperwork? Nice.
Do you currently possess any kind of gun or bow? Then LIST them? After being told previously that you have to turn in unregistered pistols to the police? Nice.
And let's back up to the requirement to provide a bill of sale for your guns, too. How many of us have kept the bills of sale for all our firearms over the years? Nice.
List any interviews by any law enforcement officer with respect to any crime? Nice.
Ever been fired from a job? Nice.
Ever used any illegal drugs? Heh! Figure the odds of a "yes" here if there is no legal record. Same for alcohol.
Yeah. "There ain't gonna be no pistol permits here."
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