NYS compliant VZ 58

[anchorman]

So I'm considering a job in NY state, and looking at how not to have to sell my guns as part of possibly moving there. I saw on the czechpoint website that they now make a NYS compliant version with non-detachable 10 round magazine, rendering it no longer an "assault weapon", whatever that is.

I'd consider making this modification, if I can get a look at how it's done, but I don't like the idea of not being able to unload the weapon without cycling the blolt upwards of ten times. What if something stove pipes and you get a jam? Seems a little stupid not to be able to empty the magazine as part of clearing a jam safely.

I was thinking to try to modify a magazine to take a trapdoor spring type mechanism as is used on arisakas and other WWII and earlier Mauser type actions for quickly emptying the magazine. Does anyone know of a rifle with a similar sized cartridge that I could nab a folded spring, and floor plate from? I could easily fabricate the rest of the magazine I think, and figure a way to pin it in place in that same manner as czechpoint mounts theirs. There's no end of Radom parts available online, but it would help if I knew what I were looking for.

I suppose I could also design or buy a butt stock that negates the need for a pistol grip, but that is a vet inelegant looking and probably functioning solution...

Thanks in advance for any thoughts y'all have on this. Please don't tell me that the best solution is not to move to NY... I know this, but despite the nanny state nonsense, it's a pretty great place, and if it comes through, this is a once in a lifetime opportunity for career advancement for me.

 

[JDGray]

Sell it, buy the NY compliant version Or drop it off to me in MI, I will take great care of it, and you can stop by and shoot it anytime, and buy the NY compliant too.

 

[axxxel]

Does anyone know of a rifle with a similar sized cartridge that I could nab a folded spring, and floor plate from? I could easily fabricate the rest of the magazine I think, and figure a way to pin it in place in that same manner as czechpoint mounts theirs. There's no end of Radom parts available online, but it would help if I knew what I were looking for.

The SKS magazine would be perfect for that!

Then again, the SKS was designed from the ground up for the manual of arms that you'll have to use with your CZ after the modification. If I were you, I'd get myself a nice SKS and ditch the CZ for now.

 

[WardenWolf]

As I recall, the VZ58 was designed to load from stripper clips. A fixed magazine wouldn't normally be a huge deal, as long as it could be removed with a tool like the bullet button or other reasonable disassembly procedures.

 

[rodregier]

Or get a 10-rd detachable box magazine fed bolt action rifle in .223 REM like the Ruger Scout or pump action like the Rem 7615.

 

[justin22885]

do yourself a favor and do absolutely everything in your power to not have to move to NY state, you WILL regret it every day of your life for more reasons than just the gun laws

 

[desidog]

do yourself a favor and do absolutely everything in your power to not have to move to NY state, you WILL regret it every day of your life for more reasons than just the gun laws

+1

The taxes suck.

 

[gopguy]

Get the compliant version. You don't want to make a mistake in a state like that the penalty will be high.

 

[gopguy]

Get the compliant version. You don't want to make a mistake in a state like that the penalty will be high.

 

[barnbwt]

Step 0: make sure you won't be arbitrarily jailed or something for possessing a VZ-looking 'assault weapon' despite it having a fixed ten-round mag
Step 1: replace rear mag catch with a fixed system (like a set screw instead of a lever, or something)
Step 2: either learn to use a bullet-point to remove the factory mag floorplate, or modify it so it's a bit easier to do with fingers
Step 3: learn to use the stripper clips as best you can
Step 4: rejoice!

TCB

 

[jim in Anchorage]

do yourself a favor and do absolutely everything in your power to not have to move to NY state, you WILL regret it every day of your life for more reasons than just the gun laws

"Thanks in advance for any thoughts y'all have on this. Please don't tell me that the best solution is not to move to NY... I know this, but despite the nanny state nonsense, it's a pretty great place, and if it comes through, this is a once in a lifetime opportunity for career advancement for me. "
This is about average, 6 posts till someone completely disregarded the question of the OP.
This is the way most mini 14 threads go.

 

[justin22885]

ive lived there over 10 years, its not a good place, taxes are crap, all laws suck even outside of gun laws, most people are your typical entitled metro liberal hipster you just want to punch in the face, everything about that hell hole sucks, id rather die than have to live there another day

 

[jim in Anchorage]

ive lived there over 10 years, its not a good place, taxes are crap, all laws suck even outside of gun laws, most people are your typical entitled metro liberal hipster you just want to punch in the face, everything about that hell hole sucks, id rather die than have to live there another day

10 years? I lived there 20. Hightailed it out as soon as I could. But the OP gave a compelling reason he want's to live there. All we can do is advise him on dealing with there miserable gun laws.

 

[evtSmtx]

I know you said not to tell you but "DONT MOVE TO NY". I left 30 years ago and would _never_ go back

 

[valnar]

I'm not a legal expert on this, but is there any way NOT to move your GUNS to NY? Maybe keep them elsewhere? Relatives?

 

[chris in va]

We met a guy at the range here in KY hat recently moved from upstate NY. He had a paid off house, family and long time girlfriend. One day the local PD paid him a visit due to a disturbance call, some tiff with he neighbors.

Now his hobby is woodworking and he makes various items like tobacco pipes and furniture. The cops leaned over and noticed he had some lathed sticks joined by a chain on the wall...nunchaku.

Guess what, he got charged with a class IV felony, still in the courts.

Nice place to visit, wouldn't want to live there.

 

[justin22885]

fact is with the VZ58 theres probably no reasonable way to get it NY legal short of welding on your magazine and loading it through the top, ive seen no aftermarket to eliminate the pistol grip and thumbhole stocks dont count either, youd need something like a saiga stock ,youd need an all new trigger group which doesnt work so well with the vz being striker fired

have you considered the SKS?

 

[USAF_Vet]

Would it be a possibility to live in a bordering state?

If you really had to live in state and wanted to keep the VZ-58 (and why wouldn't you, they're awesome) I'd consider a 10 round mag welded into place. Initially I thought a 30 round mag with a limiter installed, but stick with the 10 just to play it safe.

I'd get in touch with a firearms lawyer in NYS and see if it would be feasible to permanently alter the rifle to make it NY compliant. Since the VZ is already designed to load from stripper clips, a permanently fixed 10 round mag welded to the receiver might be the best way to make it compliant, if the law allows for it.

I've not looked closely at VZ magazine floor plates, but I imagine a quick disassembly of the floor plate for a safer unload (instead of cycling them all through the action) could be doable. Might not be the best, or most efficient, and might require a tool to pop it open, but if it gets you compliant, you can keep your rifle.

And if you ever do move out of NYS, a cut off wheel and a Dremel and about 5 minutes, you could got it back into original configuration, more or less.

 

[scaatylobo]

BUT there are a few that are legal

I live in Cuomo's state [ used to be NYS ].

There are more than a few NY compliant guns that you can buy,either here or where your from.

M1 carbine,M 1 Garand,ARES 15,M 1 A , Remington's in any caliber that are SPORTING rifles in semi auto or pump,SKS's,NY compliant AR 15's and M-4's.Ruger mini 14 & mini 30,Saiga's that look like sporting rifles BUT are mag fed in 7.62 X 39 / .223=5.56 / 5.45 X 39.

The list is pretty long just be sure to make them compliant in that they have no bayonet mounts [ yea REALLY dumb but the law ] and no muzzle brake or flash hider.

ALL of the "compliant" stuff is just cosmetic,so REALLY dumb laws.

And no magazine over 10 rounds.

 

[barnbwt]

1) why not disable the mag release by blocking its movement?
2) mags are aluminum, gun is steel; weld is a no go

TCB