Ignition Override
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Anybody who had the same cash several months before the election and did not buy "it", either did not need or want "it".
If so, they make no sense.
If so, they make no sense.
Obama Is Still our Best Salesman
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Fear of a new AWB is valid. Obama has said he wants another ban running in 2008 and again in the debates in October 2012 when he referenced AK47s and handguns.
Realistically we are only a bad shooting event away from public outcry and an AWB. Dems control the Executive and 1/2 of the legislative branches. The other 1/2 and the SCOTUS could easily go leftwing.
Most of America watched helplessly as a DEM controlled Congress and President pushed through a wildly unpopular, unread, national health care system (Obamacare), with nearly zero Republican support. That is an example of how anti gun legislation COULD happen.
We gun owners and the 2A are incredibly LUCKY to have survived with individual rights intact. There were TWO lucky events that saved gun rights in the last 10 years, both credited to George Bush.
1. AWB sunset - luckily there was a sunset clause and Bush (despite saying he'd re-sign it) would not have re-signed it and it never made it to him.
2. SCOTUS appoinments Roberts and Alito, both in the majority in US v. Heller that saved gun rights.
IF we had Obama in office at the time, the 2A would be a distant memory.
Just remember that.
Realistically we are only a bad shooting event away from public outcry and an AWB. Dems control the Executive and 1/2 of the legislative branches. The other 1/2 and the SCOTUS could easily go leftwing.
Most of America watched helplessly as a DEM controlled Congress and President pushed through a wildly unpopular, unread, national health care system (Obamacare), with nearly zero Republican support. That is an example of how anti gun legislation COULD happen.
We gun owners and the 2A are incredibly LUCKY to have survived with individual rights intact. There were TWO lucky events that saved gun rights in the last 10 years, both credited to George Bush.
1. AWB sunset - luckily there was a sunset clause and Bush (despite saying he'd re-sign it) would not have re-signed it and it never made it to him.
2. SCOTUS appoinments Roberts and Alito, both in the majority in US v. Heller that saved gun rights.
IF we had Obama in office at the time, the 2A would be a distant memory.
Just remember that.
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bushmaster1313
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How true
W.E.G.
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Once every Bubba has three case of ammo under his bed, ammo prices will come back down to levels appropriate to inflation levels, and whatever is the general level of Ponzi-economics.
Supply of EBR's still seems to be holding - especially as hoarders of recent years churn their collections on the auction and forum sites.
Give it it 6-10 months, and everything will settle down.
...unless "something happens" during that interval.
In that case, all bets are off.
Rub your crystal ball, and make a call.
Supply of EBR's still seems to be holding - especially as hoarders of recent years churn their collections on the auction and forum sites.
Give it it 6-10 months, and everything will settle down.
...unless "something happens" during that interval.
In that case, all bets are off.
Rub your crystal ball, and make a call.
bushmaster1313
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I am more worried about ammo getting so expensive that it will no longer be fun to shoot.
If I have it I will enjoy it.
If I have it I will enjoy it.
nwilliams
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At the gun shop today a guy picked up a transfer of an M&P-15 and as I was writing him up for the transaction I mentioned that it should be a fun shooter. His response,
"I don't plan on ever shooting it I don't even really like AR's, I'm getting it as an investment so I can sell it for twice the money if there's another ban."
I just responded "ok" and in my mind I was thinking what a waste of a perfectly good rifle. All this guy is doing is preventing someone else from buying this gun who would actually shoot it and have fun with it.
"I don't plan on ever shooting it I don't even really like AR's, I'm getting it as an investment so I can sell it for twice the money if there's another ban."
I just responded "ok" and in my mind I was thinking what a waste of a perfectly good rifle. All this guy is doing is preventing someone else from buying this gun who would actually shoot it and have fun with it.
dark.zero.x
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Fear sells, it's what drives our economy. Just look at the twinkies, they go belly up and people buy entire shelves of the stuff. Same goes for almost every product on the planet. The fear of a shortage, and the the fear alone, drives prices to insane levels. Gas, ammo, twinkies, all the same.
Soon gun control will be irrelevant, the prices of weapons and ammunition will be the death of us.
Soon gun control will be irrelevant, the prices of weapons and ammunition will be the death of us.
There are plenty to go around. I doubt he is preventing anybody from buying anything.
JustinJ
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I once thought the same thing but the Colorado theater shooting had essentially no impact on public opinion.
Double Naught Spy
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While the Democrats can do some harm, Obama can't do much by himself. After all the hand wringing and whining after he was elected in 2008, not to mention all the claims the sky would fall before he was elected if he was elected, he would ban all ____ (AWs, handguns, semis, etc.) his first year.
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=412867&page=2&highlight=obama+first+goal
We would be much better off spending out time actually paying attention to legislation than running around chasing our tales and waling about how the Obama boogieman is going to take our guns in the middle of the night based on rumors, caveats (like those stated by the likes of Reagan, Bush, etc. that don't bother us), and general rampant paranoia.
I really liked it that once Obama didn't ban everything with his first day or year in office that folks came up with all sorts of reasons why he didn't, despite being some of the same folks saying it was virtually a sure thing originally.
If you are wasting time on paranoid rumors and such, then you aren't likely to be working productively toward a proper solution to protecting our rights.
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=412867&page=2&highlight=obama+first+goal
We would be much better off spending out time actually paying attention to legislation than running around chasing our tales and waling about how the Obama boogieman is going to take our guns in the middle of the night based on rumors, caveats (like those stated by the likes of Reagan, Bush, etc. that don't bother us), and general rampant paranoia.
I really liked it that once Obama didn't ban everything with his first day or year in office that folks came up with all sorts of reasons why he didn't, despite being some of the same folks saying it was virtually a sure thing originally.
If you are wasting time on paranoid rumors and such, then you aren't likely to be working productively toward a proper solution to protecting our rights.
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I think it is obvious Obama is anti-gun. Go stream the third presidential debate if you want an answer to that question.
But, I think there's a bit of lunacy going on at the gun stores. If you really believed that you needed to stockpile 100,000 rounds of ammo, you probably should have started before the election. If you believe that Obama is going to try to pass some gun bans (he very well may), you still shouldn't believe that it can be done in the next two weeks.
The panic buying is more of a nuisance for most of us. It's the little things that kill me: I'm well stocked on most of what I need, but realized that I'd run low on Varget powder. I use that powder for my .308, and I only have enough on hand to load about another 150 rounds (which is good for 3-4 range trips with my bolt gun). So, I go to try to buy a can of Varget, and the salesman tells me that the stuff has been flying off the shelves since the election, and can't be kept in stock.
I see little possibility of Obama ever being able to get a gun powder ban during his second term, and it certainly isn't on the horizon (an AWB perhaps, but not a powder ban). Still, the stuff has flown off of the shelves due to little more than sheer panic.
But, I think there's a bit of lunacy going on at the gun stores. If you really believed that you needed to stockpile 100,000 rounds of ammo, you probably should have started before the election. If you believe that Obama is going to try to pass some gun bans (he very well may), you still shouldn't believe that it can be done in the next two weeks.
The panic buying is more of a nuisance for most of us. It's the little things that kill me: I'm well stocked on most of what I need, but realized that I'd run low on Varget powder. I use that powder for my .308, and I only have enough on hand to load about another 150 rounds (which is good for 3-4 range trips with my bolt gun). So, I go to try to buy a can of Varget, and the salesman tells me that the stuff has been flying off the shelves since the election, and can't be kept in stock.
I see little possibility of Obama ever being able to get a gun powder ban during his second term, and it certainly isn't on the horizon (an AWB perhaps, but not a powder ban). Still, the stuff has flown off of the shelves due to little more than sheer panic.
kyletx1911
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And then everyone complains that prices are too high, LOL.
The more I read this thread title when browsing, the more it bothers me. Obama obviously isn't our best salesman. Fear is, whether driven by crime or politics, spikes in sales are driven by fear.
Carl N. Brown
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Yep, nothing but paranoia based on circumstantial evidence.
In Chicago Law School and in Chicago politics Obama was a supporter of the Chicago handgun ban, before entering national politics.
Obama's campaign website called for re-instating the federal Assault Weapons Ban AWB Nov 2008.
In an Apr 2009 media event with Mexican President Calderon, Calderon blamed the upchuck in deaths after his militarization of the Mexican Drug War in Dec 2006 on the expiration of the AWB in 2004 and Obama agreed.
In 2009 media events in the Rose Garden of the White House and before a joint session of Congress, Calderon called on re-instating the AWB and the Obama administration agreed it would be a good idea.
Sep 2009 Obama appointed Dennis Burke (architect of the AWB) to US Attorney in Phoenix. Gunwalking under Operation Wide Receiver ordered stopped in Phoenix 6 Oct 2007 was restarted in Nov 2009 in what became Operation Fast and Furious. Hundreds of guns were allowed to enter the black market (by IG Review 1,961 documented as walking, 105 seized by ATF Phoenix, ~270 recovered by other US agencies in their jurisdictions, 195 recovered by Mexican police at Mexican crime scenes, the rest disappeared into criminal hands). These walked guns have since been used by Obama administration proxies to call for more gun control and re-enactment of a permanent AWB.
When I hear honking overhead, I assume geese not bicycle horns.
In Chicago Law School and in Chicago politics Obama was a supporter of the Chicago handgun ban, before entering national politics.
Obama's campaign website called for re-instating the federal Assault Weapons Ban AWB Nov 2008.
In an Apr 2009 media event with Mexican President Calderon, Calderon blamed the upchuck in deaths after his militarization of the Mexican Drug War in Dec 2006 on the expiration of the AWB in 2004 and Obama agreed.
In 2009 media events in the Rose Garden of the White House and before a joint session of Congress, Calderon called on re-instating the AWB and the Obama administration agreed it would be a good idea.
Sep 2009 Obama appointed Dennis Burke (architect of the AWB) to US Attorney in Phoenix. Gunwalking under Operation Wide Receiver ordered stopped in Phoenix 6 Oct 2007 was restarted in Nov 2009 in what became Operation Fast and Furious. Hundreds of guns were allowed to enter the black market (by IG Review 1,961 documented as walking, 105 seized by ATF Phoenix, ~270 recovered by other US agencies in their jurisdictions, 195 recovered by Mexican police at Mexican crime scenes, the rest disappeared into criminal hands). These walked guns have since been used by Obama administration proxies to call for more gun control and re-enactment of a permanent AWB.
When I hear honking overhead, I assume geese not bicycle horns.
lobo9er
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Obama got a big commission check in the mail from Cerebus. funny how dicks started carrying cerebus black rifles and has a "tactical" supply display. And not to long ago it was against there policy to sell "assault weapons"
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An AWB is not on the horizon
bamajoey
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Obama is our best firearms salesman and the worst president EVER.
mgmorden
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It'll have to go a long ways before that is the case. Even if I couldn't afford to normally shoot centerfire I would still shoot bulk rimfire for pretty cheap.
Seriously though even at current prices I can afford to shoot about 2 boxes of 9mm per weekend for less than $100 per month, and that's factory ammo prices. Any price increase hurts when you're used to what it is and like everyone I'm always hoping that ammo costs will hold steady or go down, but as far as hobbies go shooting still isn't too expensive.
As a comparison, I'm technically a private pilot, though I haven't been in the air since 2007. Costs got too high for me to continue. To rent a plane these days - for a small two seater - is around $100 per HOUR. Figure in flying for an hour or two per weekend and shooting starts to seem pretty cheap.
ETXhiker
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When Obama was a Senator, he went on record as saying that he believed civilians should not be allowed to own firearms. If he, or Pelosi, or Feinstein, or Reid thought they could get away with it, they would ban all guns tomorrow. But they know that wouldn't fly. I do believe an attempt to reinstate the assault weapons ban is just around the corner, however.
Having said that, I think much of the hoarding is somewhat irrational in the quantities that some people are buying. But at least it sends a message to Washington, that people are serious about the right to bear arms. Come to think of it, I really need one of those EBRs.
Having said that, I think much of the hoarding is somewhat irrational in the quantities that some people are buying. But at least it sends a message to Washington, that people are serious about the right to bear arms. Come to think of it, I really need one of those EBRs.
4thHorseman
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Maybe it is a compilation of several events/ phenomenons taking place all at once. Obama is one, but maybe floods and uncertainty in the eastern USA from the Sandy. Maybe the Middle East problems between the Gaza Strip and Israel, maybe Iran and its nuclear arsenal (soon to be one anyway), the lying to the American people about Benghazi Video attacks, uncertainty about terrorists attacks and how FEMA will respond (don't hold you breath). Maybe it is all of them and more....
Ignition Override
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This is not to contradict the OP, nor any politicians' past voting records or comments.
Nevertheless, some other members on gun websites have the clear objective to actually heat up paranoia or perceptions of future shortages, only because they have plans to sell ammo and/or guns at very inflated prices.
Some still need to break even on what they bought in late '08-early '09.
It doesn't require propulsion or weapons fire control engineers in Huntsville AL to understand this.
Nevertheless, some other members on gun websites have the clear objective to actually heat up paranoia or perceptions of future shortages, only because they have plans to sell ammo and/or guns at very inflated prices.
Some still need to break even on what they bought in late '08-early '09.
It doesn't require propulsion or weapons fire control engineers in Huntsville AL to understand this.
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