Odd luck in a background check?

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Mars5l said:
Went to pick up 2 handguns from my LGS today. They had been layaway and decided just to finally get them today. I had imagined the background checks were probably running a little behind. I was informed the website was saying 27 hour wait time and they had ppl from the day before still waiting on an okay. They surmised from all panic buying still plus they finally had a large gunshow was pushing it all back.They'd get me going and text me when they got the okay. Well I wanted to check out some ammo before heading out, turns out 5 minutes was all I needed. LGS said that I've been only person the entire day that went thru like that.
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We saw the 27 hour warning as well. The store's owner conjectured that they'd been running warnings of 5-7 hours for days and they might have started on Sunday to do a software update.

We had a couple of customers fly through on approvals while others, ran earlier, were still waiting.

<shrug>
 
Mars5l said:
Went to pick up 2 handguns from my LGS today. They had been layaway and decided just to finally get them today. I had imagined the background checks were probably running a little behind. I was informed the website was saying 27 hour wait time and they had ppl from the day before still waiting on an okay. They surmised from all panic buying still plus they finally had a large gunshow was pushing it all back.They'd get me going and text me when they got the okay. Well I wanted to check out some ammo before heading out, turns out 5 minutes was all I needed. LGS said that I've been only person the entire day that went thru like that.

I kinda do think it's because I have an odd spelling to my name, well my first and middle and my last isn't a common name either.
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While not super common it’s also not that uncommon with manpower shortages. When I worked an LGS about 3 in 10 peopl would end up on delay for 36-48 hours
 
Never had any problem buying a firearm. However, when attending the Federal academy (Lawman), we all ran our own name through the NCIC (for a class on such) database, same as wants or warrants. I have only initials for a given name and the DOB checks three years, both ways. (It seems badguys will lie about their birthday. Go figure.) This was in the late 1970s.

I came back positive for a murder warrant. However, it wasn't me. The guy they wanted was an inch shorter than me, considerably heavier and was of an ethnicity other than mine; which manifested physically without further inspection. Good times.
 
Obturation said:
I doubt name has much to do with it, but maybe.
I always have trouble on my 4473 with the name, not so much that I don't know what to put but the ffl doesn't.
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The FFL doesn't write your name on the 4473, the buyer/transferee does.

first name - very common, last name pretty uncommon but the middle name is tough for them. My middle name is just a single letter, not an initial or anything like that- don't ask why, there's no good reason past my parents were hippies. So I put my middle name (R) where it goes, they tell me to put the full name, I explain and some times they'll add -I.O. (initial only), next to it so effectively looks like my middle name is Rio.
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Sometimes? It should be every time.

Some times they put -M.I.O. (middle initial only)
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YOU need to be the filiing out the 4473, not the dealer.
YOU need to be the one following the instructions written right above Question 1.
YOU need to be the one making corrections on the 4473.
YOUR dealer is committing several violations that could possibly result in YOU violating Federal law.
 
dogtown tom said:
The FFL doesn't write your name on the 4473, the buyer/transferee does.
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Didn't say they wrote it, but to be more precise - their opinions on the correct way for me to write it varies . I haven't ever gotten a straight answer on the proper way for me to fill out the middle name spot, so perhaps you know and can tell me. Sometimes just the single letter is fine with them , sometimes they want I.o. (initial only) after sometimes they want m.i.o (middle initial only). That's what I was trying to convey , I don't think anyone's going to get in trouble for a 4473 that could possibly be incorrectly filled out in one box, not fraudulently filled out . no, no one fills out my forms. Yes, in this situation I ask them how they'd like it noted that information has not been excluded , the whole name is just a letter. Pointless confusion.
 
Obturation said:
........I haven't ever gotten a straight answer on the proper way for me to fill out the middle name spot, so perhaps you know and can tell me. Sometimes just the single letter is fine with them , sometimes they want I.o. (initial only) after sometimes they want m.i.o (middle initial only). That's what I was trying to convey....
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Again, it's right there in the instructions on Question 1 on the Form 4473. If you read the instructions you don't need a straight answer from the dealer or anyone else's opinion. If the dealer doesn't agree have him call ATF and explain why he isn't following the instructions.
 
Mike Klujeske said:
Minnesota.
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Minnesota dealers contact FBI NICS directly.
At the time your dealer ran your NICS check he should have told you the Brady date. The FBI NICS CSR would say to the dealer: "NTN#123456789 is delayed while NICS conducts further research. The Brady Law does not prohibit the transfer of the firearm on XX/XX/2020".......that date is called the "Brady date". And "does not prohibit" doesn't mean the dealer is required to transfer, some will not.

That date is "three business days beginning the next business day, not including Saturdays, Sundays, holidays or days that state offices are closed".

So........if MN state offices are not open 5 days a week that could result in longer than normal waits.
OR
Your dealer may have a policy of not transferring until FBI NICS updates the status to "proceed". And that may never happen. If thirty days go by, the dealer is required to run the check again.
 
Obturation said:
I doubt name has much to do with it, but maybe.
I always have trouble on my 4473 with the name, not so much that I don't know what to put but the ffl doesn't. first name - very common, last name pretty uncommon but the middle name is tough for them. My middle name is just a single letter, not an initial or anything like that- don't ask why, there's no good reason past my parents were hippies. So I put my middle name (R) where it goes, they tell me to put the full name, I explain and some times they'll add -I.O. (initial only), next to it so effectively looks like my middle name is Rio. Some times they put -M.I.O. (middle initial only) which further confuses , sometimes nothing at all and just scratch they're head and think about it. Only time it's a pain is buying guns, it's just so moronic - thanks mom.
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At least your dad didn't name you "Sue"! :D
 
dogtown tom said:
The FFL doesn't write your name on the 4473, the buyer/transferee does.


Sometimes? It should be every time.


YOU need to be the filiing out the 4473, not the dealer.
YOU need to be the one following the instructions written right above Question 1.
YOU need to be the one making corrections on the 4473.
YOUR dealer is committing several violations that could possibly result in YOU violating Federal law.
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When I bought my first gun (I was living in California then) the clerk complained about the way I filled out a couple of the fields, there was something (maybe the state?) he said had to be written out in full, not abbreviated.
 
I tend to buy a lot of guns. When I fill out a 4473 I always put my middle name and SSN# my background check always goes right through.
The last gun I bought was Monday, two days ago.
 
old lady new shooter said:
When I bought my first gun (I was living in California then) the clerk complained about the way I filled out a couple of the fields, there was something (maybe the state?) he said had to be written out in full, not abbreviated.
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There's a gun store/indoor range here in Plano that is notorious for requiring stuff like "no abbreviations" or requiring the buyer to spell out the month instead of using numbers.
Commonly used abbreviations are perfectly acceptable and ATF even uses one on Que. "18a Identification (e.g. Virginia Drivers License (VA DL)......)
Same with Jr for Junior, Dr for Drive, etc............all perfectly fine.

Making the buyer spell out the month? Silly, as its obvious from the space provided that it's intended for numbers. When calling the FBI For the NICS check, the procedure is to read off the birth month as a number, not by name. If the dealer were to say "January, 12th, 1960"..........the NICS will repeat back "01/12/1960".....thats a hint as is the online NICS eCheck requiring number, not name of month.
 
GunnyUSMC said:
I tend to buy a lot of guns. When I fill out a 4473 I always put my middle name and SSN# my background check always goes right through.
The last gun I bought was Monday, two days ago.
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Same for me..not sure why people play some of these games with the 4473..same for 2 sons as well. Young son just bought a Ruger PC-9..BGC took about 2 hours..
 
I have a couple of customers that are always delayed until morning. I have customers with UPIN who get delayed. I have people use their SSN and get delayed. I see no pattern to the delays. Every buyer has a license to purchase in our state. That license number goes into the other official ID box on the check. They will still get delays.
 
I live in Kansas and have a carry permit. I've bought several guns in the last 3-4 years, including 2 in the last month and not had a single delay. Every time I buy and produce my carry permit, the seller usually says some version of, "great, that really makes this easy". Of course I still fill out the form, but approval sometimes takes less time than filling out the form. So far, so good.
 
km101 said:
Guess I am lucky. In Texas if you have a Carry License you just fill out the 4473, the clerk takes the info from your LTC and DONE! No call, no wait. You’re OTD!
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It's the same way here in Idaho. However, some of the gunstores (especially the larger ones) do make a copy of your CCW License and staple the copy to the other paperwork. If someone else is using the copy machine at the time, it can take minutes before you're "OTD" with your new gun. I hate it when that happens.;)
 
Mike Klujeske said:
Been sitting in a "Delayed " status for 2 1/2 weeks now.:fire:
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We've got a couple that have cycled past 30 days. If you call FDLE they only say that the gun can't be released until the "Decision Pending" is changed to "approval". One customer did say he emailed them and actually got someone to tell him what the holdup was. In his case some paperwork wasn't properly filed by the courts. He went and got certified copies of the paperwork, snail mailed it to FDLE and they approved him.

Pretty sad when you have to do their job just to get a constitutional right allowed.
 
My brother is older than me and a retired veteran with 30 years of service. He has dozens of guns and has been through background checks dozens of times. He also has a concealed carry license in Missouri. A few years ago he won a door prize drawing at a Friends of the NRA banquet. As always he went through the background check to accept his prize and for the first time was delayed 3 days. That was maybe 10 years ago. Since then he has been delayed 3 days every time he purchases a gun. What to make of it, who knows, but is aggravating to say the least and interferes with buying a firearm if he is traveling. Most retailers are willing to ship in that scenario, but charge for the shipping. Scary.
 
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