Officer's Gun Play May Force Milwaukee to Pay

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This from a paper that so often tells us that "average citizens" can't be trusted with guns... Hmmmph! :cuss: And the worst part about it is that the "average citizen" is footing the bill for these clowns.

From the Journal Sentinel:
Officer's gunplay may force good old Milwaukee to pay
Posted: Jan. 24, 2007

Cary Spivak &
Dan Bice
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From the annals of the Milwaukee Police Department, we bring you another chapter in the continuing saga of Stupid Cop Tricks.

Today's tale even has a moral or two:

Play with guns, and people - or careers - may get hurt.

And the city just might get caught up in a lawsuit.

The previously unpublicized story, which we assembled from city and police records, begins back in 2004, when Officer Christian Hlavinka, 28, was sitting at a desk in the District 5 station doing some paperwork in a room full of police. To Hlavinka's surprise, Officer Ryan Heidemann snatched Hlavinka's .40-caliber Glock from his holster.
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Horseplay with a loaded weapon - you know this isn't going to end well.

Apparently wanting to teach a fellow cop a thing or two about the proper maintenance of a department-issued firearm, Heidemann, 29, started taking Hlavinka's gun apart.

"Heidemann had disassembled the weapon into at least 10 parts, well beyond the four parts authorized by the Department, when Sgt. (Stephen) Chin entered and stood at the end of the table," Hlavinka told investigators. "Heidemann was having some difficulty putting it back together, and there was quite a bit of discussion as to the various parts and whether or not it was properly assembled."

Jim Gatzke, Hlavinka's lawyer, said his client did what he could to retrieve his weapon.

"What are they going to do, wrestle for it?" Gatzke said. "He said, 'Give me my gun back,' and Heidemann laughed."

Heidemann declined comment Wednesday.

Records say Hlavinka wanted a weapon he could trust before he hit the streets that night, so he told Heidemann the two should switch guns for the night.

Heidemann rejected the suggestion.

The two bantered about the semiautomatic's firing pin. Hlavinka then handed the gun back to Heidemann, presumably so he could prove that he did reassemble it properly, according to disciplinary charges filed by Police Chief Nannette Hegerty with the Fire and Police Commission.

"One of the two officers removed the magazine from the gun but failed to eject the chambered round," stated the charges, which were written in a just-the-facts mode. "Officer Heidemann attempted to disassemble the gun a second time but failed to ensure that the weapon was clear of any ammunition and had the gun pointed in an unsafe direction."

Uh-oh. Betcha know what happened next.

"When Officer Heidemann pulled the trigger, in order to remove the slide, he shot both himself and Officer Hlavinka, causing injury to their hands."

Here ends Act I in this comedy of errors.

Next, the police brass tried to figure out who should pay for the mess on their hands.

The first party hit with a bill: the taxpayer.

Hlavinka, the son of a cop who joined MPD in 1997, will likely never work as an officer again, Gatzke said. That means the city is paying Hlavinka tax-free duty disability of $43,188 a year - 75% of his pay as a cop.

That, however, is only part of the potentially growing tab.

Hegerty initially ordered that Heidemann, who joined the department in '96, be fired but later switched that to recommend he receive only a 60-day suspension, a penalty that was imposed by the Fire and Police Commission in December 2004. The chief told the commission to let Heidemann keep his shield because he admitted his misconduct, apologized and showed remorse.

Heidemann, however, wasn't so full of remorse that he and his lawyers didn't look for a way to ease the pain. They asked that the suspension be spread over several months so he would not lose his city health insurance.

The commission rejected that request.

Faring better on this score was Chin, the sergeant who was allegedly supervising the troops that fateful night. He also was hit with a 60-day suspension, but, unlike the street cop, he was allowed to serve it over a number of months. The commission rejected Hegerty's request to strip Chin of his stripes.

And then just last month, Hlavinka filed a federal lawsuit against the city as well as Hegerty, Chin and Heidemann. The action seeks an undisclosed amount of punitive damages, plus lost wages and pension benefits.

Gatzke said his client, now a part-time college student, is going after the city because he feels it had a responsibility to supervise Heidemann to prevent the incident.

Sounding like he was practicing his summation, Gatzke moaned, "He can't do the one job that he always wanted to do."

Yeah, there's that - and the city has some pretty deep pockets too.
 
"When Officer Heidemann pulled the trigger, in order to remove the slide, he shot both himself and Officer Hlavinka, causing injury to their hands."

Somehow, I think they were wrestling around with it. Does anyone know if it hurts getting shot through the hand with a .40?
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shermacman said:
Somehow, I think they were wrestling around with it. Does anyone know if it hurts getting shot through the hand with a .40?

Perhaps not for a few seconds...

I am staggered that anybody would grab someone else's gun like that, regardless of who they were or what authority they believed they had. There's a profound amount of stupid out there.
 
Some people's lack of respect for a piece of hardware that can kill in the blink of an eye astounds me. Not to mention the sheer stupidity of fully disassembling somebody's service weapon before they have to go out on patrol.

There is one place where I unload and disassemble my handgun for cleaning...in my basement office pointing at the outside cinderblock wall.
 
Stupid is as stupid does. Heidemann should have been fired on the spot. A 60 day suspension for destroying a fellow officer's career due to irresponsible horseplay is a joke.
 
Does anyone know if it hurts getting shot through the hand with a .40?
There was some pics circulating back some time that a gun owner posted showing his hand after he discharged a hollowpoint round right through it, and it looked to me like it had to hurt pretty bad.
 
Rule #1 Keep the gun pointed in a safe direction - FAILED!
Rule #1 Keep your finger off of the trigger until you are ready to shoot. Honestly, if you practice dryfire, which I'm sure we all do, "shoot" should read "pull the trigger" - FAILED!

There is nothing wrong with the design of the Glock. This is just a case of thinning of the herd.
 
Fawkes,

I beg to differ.. a design that requires you to pull the trigger to facilitate dissasembly IS a design flaw...

it is not a MAJIOR thing, if the 4 rules and some reasonable safety are used... but it IS a flaw...

the reasoning: IF someone should be dumb enough to NOT use some sense and to practice the 4 rules, then it IS requiring the trigger to be pulled to do the dissasembly... IF the dry-fire wasn't necessary, then that is one less CHANCE for a problem...

poor design feature, but still no excuse...
 
Confused :confused:

So we should never dry fire? After all, that is pulling the trigger with out the intention of the gun going bang and destroying something?

How does it become a design flaw to ask a gun to do something that we should be doing regularly when dry firing? If you make the claim that the 4 Rules should never ever be broken even for practice then I'll accept that you think it's a design flaw. But the second you admit that every person who wants to be proficient with a pistol practices dry firing, then the idea that the Glock is flawed in its take down procedure is out the window.

The only design flaw is the one between the officer’s ears. With careless gun handling like that, he was bound to have an ND at some point no matter what he was fooling around with. With the Glock he pounded the pooch on take down. If it would have been a 1911, he probably would have dropped the hammer with his thumb and run around with a hot chamber. Every gun has its own subset of rules. Obey them or someone will pay.
 
Design flaw - you are REQUIRED to pull the trigger for dissasembly...

you are NEVER required to EVER dry fire for practice, it is a choice... (I do dry fire myself, after triple checking the chamber... AND I triple check the chamber on a Glock before dissasembly...)
 
Design flaw - you are REQUIRED to pull the trigger for dissasembly...

I'm sorry. I just don't see something like that as a design flaw. Different than the way things had been, yes. But a flaw? Come on. You are supposed to know exactly what is in the pipe every time you pick up a weapon. Period. If you are too dumb to check for brass EVERYTIME, then you are going to get bitten sooner or later by something.

A gun manufacturer expecting you to use a little common sense before disassembling a weapon is not a design flaw. Well... maybe in today's world it is.

But my guess is that we are not going to convince each other differently and will probably just get the thread closed for being OT. So let's all (other posters as well) agree that the officer was a dork and should have triple checked the weapon as you described.
 
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This is one of the reasons I sold my XD-9 and bought an M&P instead. The M&P has a sear disconnect you can manipulate to disassemble the weapon. The chamber also has to be clear for you to manipulate the sear disconnect. :D
 
Drop the magazine, rack the slide.
Look inside.
I don't care if it is my Glock or a shot gun or an M1. I am going to make sure that the gun is clear before I start tickling the trigger. I might even go so far as to pop open the cylinder of a revolver before I pull the trigger.

Unless I want it to go bang!
 
Who was it that was constantly attacking Cooper for encouraging dry firing, saying it was an inherently dangerous practice and Cooper was irresponsible for promoting it?

I seem to recall this critic making the rounds of the boards a few years back.
 
Thsankyou, Fawkes...

I'm not saying Glocks are bad guns... (I also dislike the un-supported chamber myself) but they DO have their place...

I'm just saying that IF you weren't REQUIRED to pull the trigger to dis-assemble it, then there is DEFINITELY one less chance for a negligent discharge...

I prefer Smith semi autos, but have fired Glocks... my MAIN reason for disliking them is that they all feel like a 2X4 in my hand... NO ergonomics...
 
Nahh..its not a design flaw...theres more than just Glocks that require to drop the hammer to disassemble...

IT is a training flaw...and hiring low IQ morons flaw,lol..
 
IT is a training flaw...

I do not understand why some shooters simply refuse to really learn the manual of arms for their weapon. I don’t get it.

It’s just like my neighbor who refuses to use decockers and thumbs the hammer on live rounds on EVERY Semi auto that has one. Failure to learn your gun is a no no. I can’t wait ‘til we move!

I prefer Smith semi autos, but have fired Glocks... my MAIN reason for disliking them is that they all feel like a 2X4 in my hand... NO ergonomics...

I will agree there. The S&W M&P is really a much better design ergonomically.
 
So how come that one cop is on disability and not doing some other job for the police department? Surely they have jobs that disabled personnel can do. He would then be earning at least some of that money and benefits and have some satisfaction of gainful employment.
 
MechAg94, this is Milwaukee, and these are government workers.

I have a range buddy who worked as a building inspector, injured himself somehow back in 1985, and is now living in Arkansas, and still collecting his disability. He can build sheds, re-roof his house, or do just about anything else you can think of.

Back on topic: there must be some serious deficiencies in weapons training on the Milwaukee Police Department. A few years ago I was in one of the local shops, and an officer came in with a jammed pistol. She looked down the barrel and said, "I can see the bullet in there!" :what:
 
playing with guns

when i was arookie two officers were playing fast draw with each other both had s&w revolvers. one officer dead the other officer finished his career . he stayed on the job approx 20 more years. i dont recall any disipline for him except his remorse.
 
:what: My cousin did the same thing with a glock. The bullet passed through his hand and then into his dogs back leg. Luckly niether of them were hurt. Never heard of that happening with a 1911:evil:
 
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