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(OK) More women pack heat (Good pics at site)

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by Drizzt, Sep 9, 2007.

  1. Drizzt

    Drizzt Senior Member

    Dec 24, 2002
    Moscow on the Colorado, TX
    More women pack heat

    Experts say desire for safety draws females to firepower

    Alice Collinsworth
    The Edmond Sun

    EDMOND — Many of the women who attend the annual Women’s Fun Shoot at the Oklahoma City Gun Club north of Arcadia enjoy the experience so much that they return year after year. Many go on to more serious training and eventually earn a license to carry a concealed handgun.

    Julee Rutledge of Edmond is one of them. Saturday’s Women’s Fun Shoot was her third. Almost 200 women attended what is the largest of this type of event in the nation, organizers said.

    Rutledge took the concealed carry class after her first fun shoot in 2005. She hasn’t completed the paperwork to receive her license, but said she fully intends to do so.

    “I want (to be able to carry) for personal safety,” she said. “I’ve taken other self-defense classes and I knew this was something I wanted to do.”

    Applicants for an Oklahoma concealed handgun license under the state’s Self Defense Act must be a U.S. citizen, an Oklahoma resident and at least 21 years of age. Each person must complete the required firearms safety and training course, which costs $60.

    The applicant must then file paperwork and photographs with the local sheriff’s office, be fingerprinted and undergo a background check. Several fees apply.

    According to the Oklahoma State Bureau of Investigation, more than 54,000 Oklahomans are licensed to carry concealed handguns. That number does not reflect how many license holders are women, but firearms instructors say they see a growing number of women taking firearms classes.

    “Absolutely there’s an increase in the number of women seeking concealed carry licenses,” said Steve Tanksley, owner of Savage Trading Company in Oklahoma City, a retail firearms store where concealed carry classes are offered.

    “What motivates women is just watching the news every day and seeing how things are in the world. They want to have some say in their own security,” he said.

    Dean Vassilakos, head Self Defense Act instructor at H&H Gun Range in Oklahoma City, agreed.

    “Women are wanting to take personal responsibility for their safety,” he said. “They don’t think they need a man to defend them.”

    Two concealed carry classes a month are taught at Savage Trading Company — “easily 1,000 people a year,” Tanksley said. He estimates that about one-quarter of his students are women.

    “Anyone in our business will tell you that more and more women are showing an interest,” he said. “We’re now seeing a lot of first-timers — women who have never even considered firearms before are now enrolling in classes and getting licensed.”

    H&H Gun Range offers four classes a month, with class rosters typically filling at least a month in advance, Vassilakos said. He sees more women signing up, with most female applicants in their mid-20s to late-50s, he said.

    Tanksley and Vassilakos agree that women make excellent students and tend to learn quickly.

    “Women do well both on the written exam and on the shooting exam,” Vassilakos said. “They put their minds to it; they’re more receptive to training than a lot of men.”

    Tanksley said concealed carry training is helpful for anyone who intends to handle firearms.

    “People need to receive good training,” he said. “Whether you intend to carry or not, taking the class is a great way to learn firearms safety, and that’s a good thing for anyone, male or female.”

    acollinsworth@edmondsun.com | 341-2121, ext. 117


    Click on the link for several good pics...

    Amanda Hudgins, 12, of Midwest City, fires a semi-automatic pistol on the range at the Oklahoma City Gun Club Saturday morning during the eighth annual Women's Fun Shoot.
  2. Carl

    Carl Member

    Jan 8, 2006
    North Carolina
    All women that I see shoot a firearm all do that leaning back thing. Are they afraid that it's going to randomly explode?
  3. jfh

    jfh Senior Member

    Aug 28, 2003
    Maple Plain, MN
    "All women that I see shoot a firearm all do that leaning back thing. Are they afraid that it's going to randomly explode?"​

    No, the 'leanback' routine is mostly a function of low upper-body strength. This would be particularly true of a prepubescent 12-year old girl, if she hasn't been engaged in sports that require that kind of conditioning--playing soccer instead of basketball, for example.

    Jim H.
    Last edited: Sep 9, 2007
  4. pax

    pax Mentor

    Dec 24, 2002
    Washington state
    Carl ~

    Not in most cases, no.

    The reason women do this is because women have proportionately less upper body strength than men, and more of our strength is in our legs and lower body. By leaning back, a woman is usually counterbalancing the weight of the gun at the end of the extended arm - making it easier for her to hold the gun up without using a lot of muscle power.

    Ummm, it's a bad technique and makes you look goofy, but that's why women do it.

    The way to avoid doing it is to lean into the gun, with your weight centered over the balls of your feet, so that your whole body is aggressively forward. Holding the gun up while you're standing upright just takes a bit more upper body strength than it does when you're forward like that.

  5. Werewolf

    Werewolf Senior Member

    Sep 12, 2003
    Very, very common. There are almost as many opinions as to why as there are THR members.

    Now, just sit back and wait, you'll get to see some of 'em posted right here. :D
  6. El Tejon

    El Tejon Elder

    Dec 24, 2002
    Lafayette, Indiana-the Ned Flanders neighbor to Il
    Such as . . . it is a reflection of their teachers. The pistol she has is not that heavy, it is technique, not strength, that is needed. Pong the chest (hollow it), bend the elbows, shift her weight forward slightly will correct it immediately without complaints of the weapon being "heavy." I teach my girlfriends to shoot my 1911s without problems, including Grace who was all of 5'1" and maybe a 100 pounds after a big meal.

    This is nothing more than a lack of training. The men showing them how to shoot do not know how to correct these errors so they just allow them to continue on incorrectly.

    Go to the range, see the women use less than optimal or flat out wrong techniques. Then look at the men they are with, the men exhibit the same poor habits and lack of training.
  7. GunTech

    GunTech Senior Member

    Mar 16, 2007
    Helena MT
    My 13 years old does the same thing. I posted a video of her shooting my SMG. Pronounced lean. Trying to teach her to lean into the gun.
  8. MaterDei

    MaterDei Senior Member

    Sep 23, 2003
    I was going to suggest that they do it to get their face as far as possible from the gun but won't say anything because I don't want to make Werewolf seem prescient. :neener:
  9. jungleroy

    jungleroy Member

    Dec 8, 2006
    I do see a trend here. My fiance leans into rifles and holds handguns as far away as possible, this includes the tiny Ruger mark-II.
    I Don't have the answer as to why, but it is nice to watch.
  10. Oleg Volk

    Oleg Volk Moderator Emeritus

    Dec 19, 2002
    Nashville, TN
    Untrained people lean away. Trained people tend to lean into even .22 rimfires as if they are holding machine pistols.
  11. Omaney

    Omaney Member

    Mar 13, 2007
    N. Central TX
    This term "pack heat" is a pet peeve of mine but I digress...I don't care if they're leaning back...they are shooting!! And that is a good thing.
  12. BMacklem

    BMacklem New Member

    Jul 1, 2007
    I'd just be happy that more women are getting interested in the shooting sports, and personal protection/safety.

    The more women we get on our side... the less insane anti laws that will get passed as time goes by, and hopefully a secondary factor of less crime because of women taking their safety into their own hands.

    I am trying to get my wife into shooting more, but she has a bad shoulder that seems to make it difficult for her to rack the slide on my PX4 Storm 9mm, so I'm going to have to look into a smaller caliber for her to get her real start into target shooting, and eventually defense training.
    Maybe a revolver.....
  13. BMacklem

    BMacklem New Member

    Jul 1, 2007
    Heh....Omaney there beat me to it... the part about just being happy that more are interested in firearms, and shooting in general.
  14. armedandsafe

    armedandsafe Participating Member

    Apr 8, 2005
    Moses Lake WA
    When FirstInLine was first learning pistols, she told me she couldn't lean as far into her stance as I was asking her to because her upper body ... ummm ... mass was distributed differently from mine. :D

  15. chris in va

    chris in va Mentor

    Mar 4, 2005
    Louisville KY
    I asked my friend why she leans back when shooting. She said it has nothing to do with the weight, just the way it stabilizes them when shooting. Apparently it comes natural to balance like that. She even does it with my lightest guns.
  16. JKimball

    JKimball Active Member

    Aug 5, 2007
    Orem, UT
    +1 El Tejon
  17. Warren

    Warren Senior Member

    Apr 5, 2004
    Northern California
    I liked the article and the best thing about it was no stupid quote from an anti.

    I corrected a woman on the leaning back thing once. Her BF and she were in the lane next to me I was punching out the 10 with my SiG and they were all over their target.

    My custom is to not offer advice and to leave people alone but they asked me.

    So I had her shoot a few rounds while I watched, her grip on the gun was fine but she was leaning so far back it was a wonder she didn't topple over. So I told her (what PAX wrote) and she started hitting the X. After a few rounds though she started drifitng back so I used two of my fingers and gently pushed her between the shoulder blades and kepth them there while she finished out the mag. Which she did very well with.

    I was uncomfortable about touching her and I should have asked first but I didn't catch myself in time, she leaned and I pushed. Was I out of line there?

    She didn't say anything about it and she seemed really happy about how she had done so I figured it wasn't a problem, but I'll make sure not to do it again.
  18. czbegenner

    czbegenner Member

    May 24, 2007
    Shreveport La
    Ok here is a little thing i do,I lean up aganist the wall with my back all the way aganist the wall.I draw my weapon,and bring it all the way up,and then i dry fire myG22,(around 100 times) this helps keeps your back in the right place and also gives your back tranning to get stronger.
  19. Andrewsky

    Andrewsky Active Member

    Jul 14, 2007
    Warren, I would not have touched her. Not that you did anything wrong (it was probably necessary for her shooting), just that I would be uncomfortable doing that.
  20. silverlance

    silverlance Senior Member

    Jul 11, 2005
    In my Foxhole
    nah. wasn't like you pawed her up.
    people are too damn sensitive this days. hyphenated everything, cultural sensitivity.. blah.

    women are not fragile glass vessels to be set upon a pedestal and admired. those who believe that they are, i avoid. don't want to be the one to have to pick up the inevitable fragments.

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