Okay...now I'm annoyed...sorta

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BullRunBear

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I have some wonderful modern handguns: single action, double action, a set of T/C Contenders, adjustable and fixed sight. Nothing valuable or rare, just well made, functional firearms. Can I shoot them as well as 19th-century style cap and ball revolvers? NOPE! And that's sorta annoying. :rolleyes:

I spent a very pleasant couple of hours at the range yesterday with my new Uberti 1860 Army. 25 yards, mostly one-handed shooting, and I'm sometimes keeping 2" groups or smaller. A few times I had 3-shot groups touching. This is as good as my best with a ROA and adjustable sights. This isn't bragging, it's amazement since, inspite of my enthusiasm, I'm no great marksman. Obviously the gun makes the difference.

I used .457 round ball over a wonder wad and 20 grs. of 3F powder. I tried upping the charge to 25 grs but the groups started to string out horizontally even though they were consistent in elevation. I still have to hold about 10" low. The .457 balls are convenient since I use that size in the ROA so that's one less item to pack. Next time out I'm going to try the 50 yard targets.

I wish I had started C&B revolvers sooner. They are bringing some real pleasure to the hobby. The superb balance of the guns, the relaxed pace inherent with black powder shooting, even the periodic bore swabbing, all contribute to the enjoyment. It's even theraputic. I started the session with a headache and stiff back. By the time I left, the headache was gone, the back had loosened up and I had a smile on my face to go with the soot on my hands. As the commercial says: priceless.

Now the big question is which revolver to save up for next: 1851 Navy, Dragoon, Walker, etc. (The 1858 Remington I handled wasn't very comfortable. It felt like my hand was 'crowded'.) I'm also looking at a flintlock pistol like the Traditions Trapper. I think that's the name; it's the one that resembles the old T/C Patriot. Ah, so many guns. so little time (and money).

Regards, Jeff
 
BullRunBear, I can relate to your experience very well, although not to your great results. The easy going shooting loading procedure does take stress away. I started with black powder and although I have shot quite a few modern guns, I do not feel the need having to own them.
When returning from the range I travel home very relaxed.
It's truly a wonderfull hobby and much more appealing than yoga:D
Hildo
 
The 20 grain load is both accurate and the recoil is soft. This may be part of the reason you get the results you do. Stick with it. :)
 
I also find that I am more accurate with, and enjoy shooting more, my 2 Uberti 1860 Colts and Pietta 1858 Remington than my 9mm Astra "carry gun".

OK, for practical purposes the Astra snubbie is more easily concealed and quicker to draw than the 8" barrelled replicas, but I am a much better shot with the "oldies"!
 
which revolver to save up for next: 1851 Navy
If you've never owned the 1951 Navy thats one you should get, especially since you are seeking tight groups at maximum loadings.
Maximum loadings of the best quality powder will push .32 H&R magnum performance with the round ball and the conical ball for the .36 is heavier than the round ball of the .44 should you wish to give it a try.
.36 balls cast up twice as many per pound as .44 and I've had very good accuracy from ball cast from wheel weight which might be too hard for use with the larger dia .44.

Main thing about the Navy is its as much a work of art as it is a wel designed target grade C&B pistol. The design mixes flats with cylinder and semi spherical and square with oblique and inclines.

The grip is the best anyone ever came up with which is why its been copied so often.
 
Just my opinion.
The 1851 Navy. It has my heart both in looks and feel. No other handgun comes close to it. I don't report on how my targets looks anymore because the eyes are too old to shoot for groups. But the 1851 Navy is topps in fun.
If your hand are too big for the smaller 1851 grips, the 1860 trigger guard, grip frame and grip is not that hard to put on the 1851.
 
I can relate to accuracy of BP pistols as opposed to modern ones.

The most accurate one I owned was a Lyman "great plains" single shot pistol.
I remember shooting it offhand and whacking cans off a plank at 40-50 yrds with pretty good consistancy. I was never able to do that with any modern pistol I owned. In any case if your looking for an accurate pistol that's my recommendation. That is if you dont mind loading one at a time. Check around about the lyman and you'll find just about everyone that's shot one say's the same about its accuracy. .....Good luck swabbing and blowing lots of smoke.
 
I agree BullRunBear

Black powder pistols don't take a back seat to modern hand guns at all in grouping hits from normal pistol range distances.

If you get the traditions trapper, I think you will be able to shoot it every bit as good as the 1860 Army. Mine will shoot better than my 1860. Mine being percussion and not flint as you are considering. I like the set trigger and the better sights. The only draw back is the weight, which is a bit stout until you get used to it and learn to use the palm of your off hand to rest the brass butt heel on, in which case the weight becomes an asset to steady your aim.
 

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Guys,

Thanks for the suggestions and opinions. Wish I could claim brilliant marksmanship skills for the results with the cap and ball revolvers but reality keeps inserting itself. Clearly the C and Bs are just more comfortable for me. It's good to know I'm not the only one that applies to.

I'm inclined to try for the Traditions Trapper next. The looks are appealing and I prefer double set triggers on single shot MLs. There is an informal muzzleloader steel target competition at our local gun club and it would be a hoot and a half to try a pistol on the forty yard chickens.

Having said that, an 1851 is definitely in my future. Just a matter of when. Until then, I'll just have to be content (how tragic!) with several rifles, both cap and flint, two superb revolvers and 45-70 BP cartridges in a Rolling Block. (Hmmm! Maybe it's time to start getting black powder in bulk.)

Regards, Jeff
 
The Colts that I have are the Walker and a 1851 Navy in .44 cal I love them both. Now for the particulars, Thge Walker being a very big hand gun fits very well in my hand the grip is not as big as most would think Just a little bit bigger than the 51 Navy. I also have a 58 Remmington the grip is bigger than either colt that I have I wish I could report on how the Remmington does on the range but I just got it yesterday at the gun show for $100 what a steal. anyways if you want big bang and good accuraacy buy a Walker if you want not so big bang and accuracy buy a 51 Navy best I can offer.
 
I so agree with you Pancho.
On the way back home from the range or comming out of the back country
after a day of shooting or even just stomping around it is sooooooo relaxing and calming thats why I for the most part have givin up on the new stuff just dosent have the same effect.
 
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