icebones
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yes man i know, that pic was from a video game anyway...
just though it would be cool to bring up
just though it would be cool to bring up
one for you gunsmiths and inventors out there
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icebones
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excellent idea though, i never throught of the specter SMG...
time to do a little diggin...
time to do a little diggin...
icebones
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PercyShelly, you just gave me an idea
modify existing m16 style mags, TIG weld to togeather (for prototype anyway), and remachine the feed lips.
the rifle could be made to feed from alternating magazines
you have a high capacity, but its simmilar to the specter magazine design.
its also pretty slick how the specter m4 uses the bolt, moving back and forth to act as an air pump, to cool the barrel during burst fire.
modify existing m16 style mags, TIG weld to togeather (for prototype anyway), and remachine the feed lips.
the rifle could be made to feed from alternating magazines
you have a high capacity, but its simmilar to the specter magazine design.
its also pretty slick how the specter m4 uses the bolt, moving back and forth to act as an air pump, to cool the barrel during burst fire.
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I really don't have warm and fuzzy feelings about anything that involves AR-15 magazines on account of the kink in them, but that's not a bad idea. Perhaps consider using mini-14 magazines though.
I'm also told that making sure that the two followers are under identical spring pressure is important to reliable feeding.
Edit: I like the idea of the air pump on the spectre SMG and Pecheneg MG, but I really don't know how well it works.
I'm also told that making sure that the two followers are under identical spring pressure is important to reliable feeding.
Edit: I like the idea of the air pump on the spectre SMG and Pecheneg MG, but I really don't know how well it works.
Jim Watson
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You are rearranging the deck chairs before the keel is laid.
As August Weiss said of the Baby Luger, they could make nice magazines and clean up the machine work later, the important thing was to get the toggle balanced.
You need a functional design before adding "features." A four column magazine is way kewl but it will not sell guns if the basic design is not sound and serviceable.
As August Weiss said of the Baby Luger, they could make nice magazines and clean up the machine work later, the important thing was to get the toggle balanced.
You need a functional design before adding "features." A four column magazine is way kewl but it will not sell guns if the basic design is not sound and serviceable.
Funderb
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i think you should put little tabs on the side so you can also hook on little doo-dads and your drinking cup when you are not using it.
Uh, just kidding. We have enough AR platform variations in this little world of ours.
Jim's right, make the think work. then worry about it.
Uh, just kidding. We have enough AR platform variations in this little world of ours.
Jim's right, make the think work. then worry about it.
It would be very hard and very difficult.
It is good to see enthusiasm and the will to triumph, but hard work and a good attitude is not enough.
Designing any weapons platform requires teams with multi disciplinary skills and education.
You will also need at least 30 to 50 Million in capital to get you to your first prototype. That is just a guess. Might be closer to $100 to $200 Million.
If you are interesting in design, let me recommend some references:
• “Technical Notes, Small Arms Design”, Author: John G. Rocha , available from Armalite (800) 336-0184, stock number NA1085. Excellent read.
• Brassey’s Essential Guide to Military Small Arms, Design Principles and Operating Method, Author Allsp and Popelinsky, Brassey’s Inc, 1997. IDSA Books , (937) 773-4203. Excellent technical reference, hard to read.
• AMCP 706-260. Engineering Design Handbook: Automatic Weapons. AMCP stands for Army Material Command Pamphlet. There were about one hundred AMCP
If you want the AMCP Engineering Design Notebooks Call NTIS at 703-605-6000 and ask them for reprints. These are not cheap, they want $45.00 to $150.00 for some of them.
• The Machine Gun, Volume IV, parts X & XI, LTC George Chinn, pub 1955. Out of print. Really an excellent read, everyone should own this book.
• Small Arms & Cannon, Smith and Haslam, RMC of Science, Shrivenham UK, 1st Edition, 1982, Brassey's Publishers LTD. No idea for a source really excellent read.
If you wish to become a Technical Program Manager, well you are going to need some College Courses. I believe classes in System Engineering would be very helpful.
I just joined this board for this thread, hope I don't get yelled at for bringing up a dead thread, but here goes.
This sounds like a great idea for a grassroots project. I come from a manufacturing/mechanial engineering background and would be willing to do some design and drawing work for this project, if a real 'design team' came into fruition and that there weren't any negative legal complications.
I'd suggest starting with a basic shooter as others have said, that shoots a common round (5.56) and uses conventional materials (steel barrel) and tries to retain some off the shelf components (STANAGs)
Anyway, if people are still serious about this maybe a real project can get going.
This sounds like a great idea for a grassroots project. I come from a manufacturing/mechanial engineering background and would be willing to do some design and drawing work for this project, if a real 'design team' came into fruition and that there weren't any negative legal complications.
I'd suggest starting with a basic shooter as others have said, that shoots a common round (5.56) and uses conventional materials (steel barrel) and tries to retain some off the shelf components (STANAGs)
Anyway, if people are still serious about this maybe a real project can get going.
biggiesmalls
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i don't like what's out there now for the prices they're going for, so when you do come up with something i'll probably be your first customer! although u might just sell the design to some bigtime manufacturer
moooose102
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i am not so sure that a bulpup configuration is the hot ticket in combat. if you have a jam, the action is quite far back, and you may have to drop the weapon from your shoulder in order to clear it. i have not shot a bulpup, but they do look neat. just something to try before you get to carried away with your plans. hmmmm a 300 win mag B A R bulpup? that might make a really good hunting rifle.
moooos102
Neither the British with the L85A2 (not the A1, piece of poo) or the Israeli's with the Tavor have any problems with the the bullpup design in combat.
If the OP is still looking at this and wants a suggestion, see if you can get access to the British or Canadian Patent Office and the design and spec for the EM2 rifle, would probably help short circuit a lot of design work.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EM-2_rifle
Neither the British with the L85A2 (not the A1, piece of poo) or the Israeli's with the Tavor have any problems with the the bullpup design in combat.
If the OP is still looking at this and wants a suggestion, see if you can get access to the British or Canadian Patent Office and the design and spec for the EM2 rifle, would probably help short circuit a lot of design work.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EM-2_rifle
a weapons expert from england named ian hogg made an interesting statement;we are at a point in firearms where we are at the pinnacle,there is just about no other direction to go,unless a new system that used something other than cartriges was used, & it would take millions to develop.even the scar & masada are nothing revolutionary.there is also a lack of genius designers,like john browning,paul mauser,sam colt.its all been done,& there no where else to go......
Vern Humphrey
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Firearms technology is mature -- that is, firearms have reached the point bicycles reached a hundred years ago. There are really no new major developments possible. New and exotic materials can be used, and tiny incremental improvements can be made, but nothing on the order of the cartridge case or the bush-roller chain is on the horizon.
Hutch
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Best be figuring out something that will past muster on the next "assault weapons ban". Maybe make it pump action? Multi-caliber with replacement parts (like the Storm, or AR15). Accept commonly available magazines (AR15, M9, G3, FAL, AK). Reliable and reasonably accurate. Easy to field strip and change calibers. Make one like that for ~ $800, with complete caliber conversions ~ $200-300, and you could sell 'em like hotcakes.
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