One More Sixgun! Uberti El Patron .45 Colt.

gilgsn

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Hello. Now I can preserve my original Colt SAA (.38-40) and eventually wear out this new El Patron in .45 Colt.
I really wanted a Pietta, but could not find any in France right now, except in .357. I almost went for it, would have if I didn't already own a 586.
My first Pietta SAA had a timing problem right out of the box, but that was maybe eight years ago, otherwise the gun was great.
The hammer safety on the Uberti really bugs me, though you can't see it. There are only three clicks. I wish they had left the safety notch on the hammer.
It's a great looking gun for sure. Timing is perfect and lockup is good. The checkering is a bit aggressive on skin when shooting top regular loads.
My bullet of choice is the RCBS 45-270-SAA (285gr). I also just got the MP-454-243 HP mold, 224gr HP or 243gr solid. I'll use the HP and the RCBS.
I can't comment on precision since I only had my reading glasses for my first trip to the range and everything was blurry.
The RCBS 285gr is very pleasant to shoot over 16gr of VV N110 (Brian Pearce level 1 load). Stout but not too much so, just right.
N110 produced a lot of unburnt residue. I'll try N340 next.
So far I'm pretty happy with it! Anyone has had one for many years? How do they hold up over time and thousands of rounds?
Ya'll have a great week-end :)
Gil.
 
Good to hear from you again Gil. Cool revolver. You can hopefully get a replacement 4-click hammer for yours. What type of hammer safety does yours have? I think three clicks means it has the new retracting firing pin thing. Which IMO is goofy.

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You can hopefully get a replacement 4-click hammer for yours.
That's what I did. The 'retracting firing pin' is really clever, but I wouldn't trust it, hammer down on a loaded chamber.
Always love to ask overseas posters; how much trouble was it to get your guns? You evidently are a reloader; I like Trailboss in the .45 Colt, but it's unobtanium. I'm told Unique makes a good load in that caliber.
Moon
 
Good to hear from you again Gil. Cool revolver. You can hopefully get a replacement 4-click hammer for yours. What type of hammer safety does yours have? I think three clicks means it has the new retracting firing pin thing. Which IMO is goofy.
Hi, thanks, yes, it is the retracting firing pin. It is invisible from the outside but of course I worry about reliability. The fired primers have a deep indentation, so I am not worried about failures to fire. It is however extra parts that can fail. I will look into a replacement hammer, but not sure about regulations about importing a hammer. I think it is a regulated part here... It might be possible since of course I own the gun legally with documentation...
Gil.
 
Always love to ask overseas posters; how much trouble was it to get your guns? You evidently are a reloader; I like Trailboss in the .45 Colt, but it's unobtanium. I'm told Unique makes a good load in that caliber.
Hello.
It used to be very complicated here but things have improved. There are four categories of guns here, A, B, C, D. A is prohibited, anything full auto, mortars, grenades, you name it... B requires a prior authorisation before buying and includes semi-autos and any modern handgun. You also must have been registered with the French federation of sport shooting for at least six months and a shooting range. Attendance is mandatory. You are limited to 12 guns plus 3 regulated parts like uppers, extra cylinders, etc. C only requires membership to the French federation of sport shooting or a hunting license and is for manually-repeating long guns, except those using military calibers (.308 is allowed though). D is not regulated and includes black powder replicas, and most guns (there are exceptions) built before 1900. Transporting and shooting D guns is still regulated.
For B guns, before, we had to put together a file comprised of many documents for each gun and send it out, to get an answer a few months later. You had to do this for each gun every five years, limited to 12. Now the authorisation is attached to the owner alone rather than the owner/gun combination. This means that once you are approved, you can buy a gun directly from the gun store. The purchase is automatically appended to you authorisation, until you reach your quota.
For B and C guns, you also must have a medical certificate and never have been treated at a mental health facility.
If you stop sport shooting, you must sell your B guns through a dealer. You can keep your C guns if you stop shooting or hunting though.
You can only buy ammo, cases, bullets, powder and primers if you legally own a gun in the corresponding caliber. They don't regulate casting your own bullets but you can only make them for yourself.
Now, although the authorisation and registration procedure has been greatly sped up and simplified, we are losing gun ownership rights caused by new EU regulations, and that will not stop... Best exemple are black powder cartridges for D guns now regulated. So, if you own, say, an antique Colt SAA in .45 Colt, you must own a modern firearm in that caliber to be able to buy even empty cases.
I expect that soon or later, all semi-autos might be banned, or at least limited to ten-round (or less) magazines. That is why I only own one semi-auto (AR).

On the upside... Suppressors do not require any extra tax, documentation or delay. If you legally own the gun, you can just buy one on the Internet and have it shipped directly to you. There is no SBR definition in France, though there are length limits for C guns. B guns, anything goes. You can buy a short barrel AR with a silencer the same way you'd buy a revolver. There is no 3-day delay for anything, since you already have been checked.

On the downside, aside from the ever present bureaucratic hassles, they can put you on a no-gun-allowed database any time they want, and that includes for opening your mouth a little too much on social media, like, if you criticise government... If that happens, they just show up at your house and take everything.

Here in France we don't have access to American powders, only Vectan and Vihtavuori. I am not sure if their import is not allowed, or if it is just too much of an administrative hassle, or too costly... We have a Unique equivalent, or nearly so, called Ba9. H4227 is extremely close to SP3, and Ba6-1/2 to N110/H110. Bullseye is close to Ba10. We have enough choice to cover all calibers. The problem is the lack of reloading data...

Gil.
 
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The problem is the lack of reloading data...
Data that corresponds to your powders, not ours. Really great explanation of your convoluted system, though it's not as onerous as we might have expected.
Personally a fan of older styles of firearms, it's good to see there is less restriction on them.
Stay in touch here.
Thanks,
Moon
 
Hello. Now I can preserve my original Colt SAA (.38-40) and eventually wear out this new El Patron in .45 Colt.

The hammer safety on the Uberti really bugs me, though you can't see it. There are only three clicks. I wish they had left the safety notch on the hammer.
Taylor and Company has the 4-click hammer and trigger. You won't need the cylinder rod. I retrofitted my Uberti 1873 with these and like the gun much better after getting rid of the safety hammer. It is a drop-in replacement and can be done in a half hour without hurrying. There are youtube videos showing the disassembly of the 1873 clone. All you need is a good screwdriver that fits the screw head and a pair of needlenose pliers.
 
Taylor and Company has the 4-click hammer and trigger. You won't need the cylinder rod. I retrofitted my Uberti 1873 with these and like the gun much better after getting rid of the safety hammer. It is a drop-in replacement and can be done in a half hour without hurrying. There are youtube videos showing the disassembly of the 1873 clone. All you need is a good screwdriver that fits the screw head and a pair of needlenose pliers.
Thank you, I'll see if they are willing to ship to France.
No problem disassembling a Single Action Army ;)
 
Taylor and Company has the 4-click hammer and trigger. You won't need the cylinder rod. I retrofitted my Uberti 1873 with these and like the gun much better after getting rid of the safety hammer. It is a drop-in replacement and can be done in a half hour without hurrying. There are youtube videos showing the disassembly of the 1873 clone. All you need is a good screwdriver that fits the screw head and a pair of needlenose pliers.
Bangswitch, IIRC (not a sure thing!) all I had to change out was the hammer. Again, if memory serves, the only leaf spring in there was the mainspring; everything else was music wire. The Smokewagon's Taylor Tune also survived the transition. Didn't see any real need for the two position basepin, and I preserved the original hammer.
Thanks for the link,
Moon
 
I have not been bit by the SAA virus YET; but I am like a moth that's circling the flame :thumbup:
 
Bangswitch, IIRC (not a sure thing!) all I had to change out was the hammer. Again, if memory serves, the only leaf spring in there was the mainspring; everything else was music wire. The Smokewagon's Taylor Tune also survived the transition. Didn't see any real need for the two position basepin, and I preserved the original hammer.
Thanks for the link,
Moon
If your gun has the hammer with the concealed rod and floating firing pin, the trigger has a small arm on it that engages the rod. You could cut that arm off, I suppose, or maybe it's okay to leave it, but I got the trigger without it , just so the action would be true to the 4-click design.
 
If your gun has the hammer with the concealed rod and floating firing pin, the trigger has a small arm on it that engages the rod. You could cut that arm off, I suppose, or maybe it's okay to leave it, but I got the trigger without it , just so the action would be true to the 4-click design.
Not going to dispute it; been a long time since changing mine out. But I am happy with the result, no matter how clever the original floating firing pin design might have been.
Moon
 
Since I always wear ear protection I don't notice the clicks and am not going to set around the house cocking it to listen to them. 😃

The transfer bar is pretty fool proof if you just have to load six.
 
That's what I did. The 'retracting firing pin' is really clever, but I wouldn't trust it, hammer down on a loaded chamber.
Always love to ask overseas posters; how much trouble was it to get your guns? You evidently are a reloader; I like Trailboss in the .45 Colt, but it's unobtanium. I'm told Unique makes a good load in that caliber.
Moon
Unique is a favorite in .45 Colt. 8.0gr Unique and a 250gr rnfp are a gold standard load. It simply works. Well.
 
Unique is a favorite in .45 Colt. 8.0gr Unique and a 250gr rnfp are a gold standard load. It simply works. Well.
I've been extremely happy with TrailBoss, but it seems to be disappearing. Grabbed a pound of Unique as insurance. Have to look at what I had used previously, but it seems to me I had positional issues with Unique and velocity. Plus there were metering issues with those big Unique flakes.
Now, all that said, I really love .45 Colt, and have a bunch of guns in that caliber. So I'll be happy to have Unique as a fallback.
Thanks,
Moon
 
The transfer bar is pretty fool proof if you just have to load six.
This. If you just have to have six, the transfer bar is about as foolproof as it gets, with the Smith block a close second.
Some of us are just enamored of the idea that an old gun should work like an old gun. And sound right, too. ;)
Moon
 
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